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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>College is not for everyone. The student-athlete is a farce when it comes to many athletic programs. Some of the guys actually attend class and try to take advantage of their educational opportunities. On the other hand, a lot of the guys just coast through the athlete friendly professors and reap the benefits until they are eligible for the draft. I don't blame then if it's a viable option but it's ridiculous. The bottom line is the boosters get their egos stroked and the school rakes in the cash. 

Stern needs to allow guys to enter the league and stop being so paternalistic. These schools are wasting valuable scholarship opportunities. You shouldn't short change legitimate student-athletes that are in school to get an ordinary job for essentially a professional sports draft boarding school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>College is not for everyone. The student-athlete is a farce when it comes to many athletic programs. Some of the guys actually attend class and try to take advantage of their educational opportunities. On the other hand, a lot of the guys just coast through the athlete friendly professors and reap the benefits until they are eligible for the draft. I don&#8217;t blame then if it&#8217;s a viable option but it&#8217;s ridiculous. The bottom line is the boosters get their egos stroked and the school rakes in the cash. </p>
<p>Stern needs to allow guys to enter the league and stop being so paternalistic. These schools are wasting valuable scholarship opportunities. You shouldn&#8217;t short change legitimate student-athletes that are in school to get an ordinary job for essentially a professional sports draft boarding school.</p>
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		<title>By: Chowder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Chowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think staying in college helps everyone involved: the player, the NBA, and the colleges.  Though, I still don't believe we can tell an 18 year-old he can't work at a job he is being offered.  If an 18 year-old girl can work in porno, an 18 year-old boy should be allowed to played professional basketball.  What I never understood is why does the players association want no age limit?  Wouldn't they want as little competition for jobs as possible, thus providing them with their own job security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think staying in college helps everyone involved: the player, the NBA, and the colleges.  Though, I still don&#8217;t believe we can tell an 18 year-old he can&#8217;t work at a job he is being offered.  If an 18 year-old girl can work in porno, an 18 year-old boy should be allowed to played professional basketball.  What I never understood is why does the players association want no age limit?  Wouldn&#8217;t they want as little competition for jobs as possible, thus providing them with their own job security.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people are right when they say it is all about money. The longer players stay in college the lower an NBA's teams training costs are going to be.  The college game is a great farm system that costs the NBA very little money. 

The college game also enhances a player's fan base by the time he comes into the NBA. The NCAA creates a player's national identity and gives him exposure more so than high school or AAU. Some college fans will follow players and their teams. I followed Kansas City Kings because Phil Ford played for them.. Yes that does date me.

Lastly it lowers the risk in the draft process.   Teams can evaluate players as they are playing against better competition than in high school. Agents will hide their HS players not puttng them in competive situations before the draft making it difficult for a team to evaulate his talent, skills and readiness. 

Yes it is about money but few of you are seeing it from David Stern's angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are right when they say it is all about money. The longer players stay in college the lower an NBA&#8217;s teams training costs are going to be.  The college game is a great farm system that costs the NBA very little money. </p>
<p>The college game also enhances a player&#8217;s fan base by the time he comes into the NBA. The NCAA creates a player&#8217;s national identity and gives him exposure more so than high school or AAU. Some college fans will follow players and their teams. I followed Kansas City Kings because Phil Ford played for them.. Yes that does date me.</p>
<p>Lastly it lowers the risk in the draft process.   Teams can evaluate players as they are playing against better competition than in high school. Agents will hide their HS players not puttng them in competive situations before the draft making it difficult for a team to evaulate his talent, skills and readiness. </p>
<p>Yes it is about money but few of you are seeing it from David Stern&#8217;s angle.</p>
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		<title>By: tp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-784</link>
		<dc:creator>tp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is, of course, that college kids fail in a higher percentage than high school kids. Which is only logical: the bigger the prospect, the sooner he is drafted.

I don't think the NBA could go back to a system based in college experience, as any attempt to do so would be torn down in court.

Also, I think Stern is also interested in keeping kids in college so that they can build a name for themselves that is passed on to the NBA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, of course, that college kids fail in a higher percentage than high school kids. Which is only logical: the bigger the prospect, the sooner he is drafted.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the NBA could go back to a system based in college experience, as any attempt to do so would be torn down in court.</p>
<p>Also, I think Stern is also interested in keeping kids in college so that they can build a name for themselves that is passed on to the NBA.</p>
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		<title>By: LeFlume</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>LeFlume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think David Stern has done a tremendous job as a commissioner for the NBA. He have cleaned up and NBA has never been more healthy than it is today. They are doing an awesome job with the NBA Care foundation and read to achieve program. NFL commissioner Roger Goddell could learn a lot from David Stern. However, I'm totally against his idea of an age limit. This is America for crying out loud, since when are Americans forbidden to get a job straight out of high school?  

However, I do think the owners and the GM should pay any high school kid minimum wage. No matter when he is drafted or how great he is. That's how it works in the real world. It's impossible to get a job without a college degree unless you are willing to work for minimum wage with no benefits. Welcome to the real world kids, The world that most of your fans are living in.

NBA should do what most companies out in the real world does. Value and reward a college graduate. 4 Years of Basketball education must be worth something. A College graduate are more suited to represent the franchise and have learned to take responsibility. With so many of the court duties in the NBA today I think a college kid has more to offer than a kid straight out of high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think David Stern has done a tremendous job as a commissioner for the NBA. He have cleaned up and NBA has never been more healthy than it is today. They are doing an awesome job with the NBA Care foundation and read to achieve program. NFL commissioner Roger Goddell could learn a lot from David Stern. However, I&#8217;m totally against his idea of an age limit. This is America for crying out loud, since when are Americans forbidden to get a job straight out of high school?  </p>
<p>However, I do think the owners and the GM should pay any high school kid minimum wage. No matter when he is drafted or how great he is. That&#8217;s how it works in the real world. It&#8217;s impossible to get a job without a college degree unless you are willing to work for minimum wage with no benefits. Welcome to the real world kids, The world that most of your fans are living in.</p>
<p>NBA should do what most companies out in the real world does. Value and reward a college graduate. 4 Years of Basketball education must be worth something. A College graduate are more suited to represent the franchise and have learned to take responsibility. With so many of the court duties in the NBA today I think a college kid has more to offer than a kid straight out of high school.</p>
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		<title>By: money grubber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>money grubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me again,

the prob i see with what former_baller38 Said  says is that in most drafts, the best player or players go to the the 14-17 draft picks thus the worst teams in the league (clippers) stay the worst, ok my example (clippers) was a terrible one, but the idea of the draft being structured the way it is , was to increase parody and give teams like Milwaukee when they drafted lew alcindor, the chance to compete with teams already at the top.  (granted there is no accounting for poor management (clippers)).
and i can't see the NBA paying for an expanded d-league.  i agree it would be a tremendous improvement over what we have now, but there's too much money against the idea (ncaa, nba).  

i would like to see something akin to what some soccer leagues do.  i agree expand the rosters and expand the d-league, but also take the bottom three teams of the nba and send them down to the d-league and make them earn their way back into the league.  the top three d-league teams can join the league.  that would stop the tanking of games at the end of the season for draft picks 'cause d-league means an end to season tickets and an end to tv money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me again,</p>
<p>the prob i see with what former_baller38 Said  says is that in most drafts, the best player or players go to the the 14-17 draft picks thus the worst teams in the league (clippers) stay the worst, ok my example (clippers) was a terrible one, but the idea of the draft being structured the way it is , was to increase parody and give teams like Milwaukee when they drafted lew alcindor, the chance to compete with teams already at the top.  (granted there is no accounting for poor management (clippers)).<br />
and i can&#8217;t see the NBA paying for an expanded d-league.  i agree it would be a tremendous improvement over what we have now, but there&#8217;s too much money against the idea (ncaa, nba).  </p>
<p>i would like to see something akin to what some soccer leagues do.  i agree expand the rosters and expand the d-league, but also take the bottom three teams of the nba and send them down to the d-league and make them earn their way back into the league.  the top three d-league teams can join the league.  that would stop the tanking of games at the end of the season for draft picks &#8217;cause d-league means an end to season tickets and an end to tv money.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There shouldnt be an age limit
It is common for people to be professional and make millions at a young age in baseball, hockey, tennis, and soccer.
I cant think of any other profession that doesnt allow you to work for them if you're an adult, you have the required skills, you want them, and they want you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There shouldnt be an age limit<br />
It is common for people to be professional and make millions at a young age in baseball, hockey, tennis, and soccer.<br />
I cant think of any other profession that doesnt allow you to work for them if you&#8217;re an adult, you have the required skills, you want them, and they want you.</p>
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		<title>By: former_baller38</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>former_baller38</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, this about money, and the best solution is to stagger the way you can enter the draft.  Make the first 6 spots in the draft exclusive to players with a minimum of 2 years college or a minimum age of 20.  Pick 7-13 you are eligible for after 1 year of college, or minimum of 19 years old.  High schoolers can't be drafted in the top 13.  This solve a number of problems, if you want to draft a future talent, you have to get beter today.  bad teams drafting players that aren't ready only keeps them bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, this about money, and the best solution is to stagger the way you can enter the draft.  Make the first 6 spots in the draft exclusive to players with a minimum of 2 years college or a minimum age of 20.  Pick 7-13 you are eligible for after 1 year of college, or minimum of 19 years old.  High schoolers can&#8217;t be drafted in the top 13.  This solve a number of problems, if you want to draft a future talent, you have to get beter today.  bad teams drafting players that aren&#8217;t ready only keeps them bad.</p>
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		<title>By: BetterThanYou</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>BetterThanYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of the draft and the non-association of the NBA and NBA clubs with junior basketball, this is what happens. 

In the rest of the world, you come up through your club system, with the end goal being to play with the senior team in the top league in your area. You have multiple levels and places to grow and play at whatever your level happens to be and also opportunities to play and train with the levels above you.

if you are special you get to the top level faster - see where Ricky Rubio is playing today. If you are a slow developer you are in the system longer and you ma be much older when you get to the top level - but if you have it, you will eventually make it. Unlike in the college system where you have until you are roughly 22 to make it.

Either way - when you make the top level you have shown that you can produce at the levels below you and you have mixed in with the levels above you already. 

The USA system does not have any of this in any meaningful way. NBA is separate from NCAA which is separate from High School which is separate from AAU and other basketball and also USA Basketball. 

There is two ways to go about this - and Stern has chosen one that he believes he may be able to work with easier. One extra year in college or in maturity can go a long, long way in ensuring you are minimizing your risk of giving a few million bucks to someone who wont work out. It is not perfect however, but the longer you can hold off doing, hopefully the more likely it is the decision in a draft and contract are justified. Several 'would have been drafted' prep-stars didn't come out after their freshman seasons because their draft stock dropped - and this is exactly what Stern is looking for. 

The other way is a massive revamping and expansion of the D-League system, and allowing players to be drafted cheaply and spend as long as needed at this level. Allow NBA teams to carry squads of 30+ players including full D-League squads - basically a proper minor league system. Including allowing trading players out of this system and bringing them up and down at will and as needed.That is a LOT of work and money, but there is truly no reason it wouldn't work and also it may damage NCAA basketball if it lets teams go bak to drafting younger players.

Just my 2c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the draft and the non-association of the NBA and NBA clubs with junior basketball, this is what happens. </p>
<p>In the rest of the world, you come up through your club system, with the end goal being to play with the senior team in the top league in your area. You have multiple levels and places to grow and play at whatever your level happens to be and also opportunities to play and train with the levels above you.</p>
<p>if you are special you get to the top level faster - see where Ricky Rubio is playing today. If you are a slow developer you are in the system longer and you ma be much older when you get to the top level - but if you have it, you will eventually make it. Unlike in the college system where you have until you are roughly 22 to make it.</p>
<p>Either way - when you make the top level you have shown that you can produce at the levels below you and you have mixed in with the levels above you already. </p>
<p>The USA system does not have any of this in any meaningful way. NBA is separate from NCAA which is separate from High School which is separate from AAU and other basketball and also USA Basketball. </p>
<p>There is two ways to go about this - and Stern has chosen one that he believes he may be able to work with easier. One extra year in college or in maturity can go a long, long way in ensuring you are minimizing your risk of giving a few million bucks to someone who wont work out. It is not perfect however, but the longer you can hold off doing, hopefully the more likely it is the decision in a draft and contract are justified. Several &#8216;would have been drafted&#8217; prep-stars didn&#8217;t come out after their freshman seasons because their draft stock dropped - and this is exactly what Stern is looking for. </p>
<p>The other way is a massive revamping and expansion of the D-League system, and allowing players to be drafted cheaply and spend as long as needed at this level. Allow NBA teams to carry squads of 30+ players including full D-League squads - basically a proper minor league system. Including allowing trading players out of this system and bringing them up and down at will and as needed.That is a LOT of work and money, but there is truly no reason it wouldn&#8217;t work and also it may damage NCAA basketball if it lets teams go bak to drafting younger players.</p>
<p>Just my 2c</p>
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		<title>By: nahlij1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/2008/10/26/about-the-dough/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>nahlij1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, weight is relative and is never distributed the same in everyone.  Lebron himself has said that THAT is HIS height and weight.  If you believe what their "cards" say, you are sadly mistaken.  Figure this, Kobe and Lamar Odom are the same height on the court, so either Odom is really 6'7" or Kobe is really 6"10......KG is really around 7'1".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, weight is relative and is never distributed the same in everyone.  Lebron himself has said that THAT is HIS height and weight.  If you believe what their &#8220;cards&#8221; say, you are sadly mistaken.  Figure this, Kobe and Lamar Odom are the same height on the court, so either Odom is really 6&#8242;7&#8243; or Kobe is really 6&#8243;10&#8230;&#8230;KG is really around 7&#8242;1&#8243;.</p>
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