Why the Lakers won
The season is over and if you are a Magic fan, the offseason will provide sleepless nights playing the “what if” game. If you are a Laker fan, you are ecstatic and saying this is about redemption, experience and us having one of the best players in the history of the game in Kobe Bryant and the best coach ever in Phil Jackson.
The Lakers proved that, despite many opportunities given to the opposition, they are indeed the best team this year. I disagree with Stan Van Gundy on the experience factor. Van Gundy said experience meant nothing and that it’s just basketball. Experience played a huge factor in this series. Had it been a non-factor, Orlando would be headed back to Los Angeles with a 3-2 lead in the series.
Let’s play the “what if” game…
Game 2
- The Magic do not miss five out of six free throws in the third and fourth quarter when they had the lead.
- The Magic do not turn the ball over three times with a two-point lead late in the game.
- Courtney Lee makes one of his two blown layups in Game 2.
Game 4
- Hedo Turkoglu makes one of his four missed free throws in the 4th Quarter
- Dwight Howard makes one of his two free throws with 11 seconds left, giving the Magic a four-point lead.
- Jameer Nelson is not in the game in favor of Courtney Lee to defend Derek Fisher on his game-tying shot.
I look at those mistakes and say it is all about experience and that is why the Lakers in my estimation beat a more talented team.
Game 5 was the perfect example of lack of experience. A veteran team would not quit fighting because they were down 3-1 in a series like Orlando did last night.
So if I am Van Gundy, I would eat those words and preach this whole offseason about the experience of getting so far and losing against a team that lost in the same fashion the previous year and beat us the next year based on experience.
The Lakers, on the other hand, showed the experience, confidence and leadership needed to finally win their 15th title. Kobe Bryant can finally kick that elephant off his back. The one thing I love about Kobe is that he can never say he did not try hard at anything. I heard stories about how he never went out on the road as a young player and watched hours of video tape. I heard during the Olympics that he flew to Vegas around 6 am one morning and asked Blazers head coach Nate McMillan to work him out at 9 am. Nate had to stop the workout and inform Kobe they had 30 minutes to get to a meeting. It was 1:30 pm. That’s the beauty of being great and only experience teaches you that. Remember, Kobe was working out this hard after just finishing a grueling series against the Boston Celtics.
I will admit that I am not a Laker fan, but I am a Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson fan. When I look at those two individuals, I marvel about how focused, determined and smart they are. Kobe probably is the most committed and intelligent athlete ever. We sometimes get too caught up in his basketball genius, but is there a more informative and thought-provoking interviewee in sports?
He has just done something in my mind that only Hakeem Olajuwon has done and that is put a team on his back throughout the playoffs and win a championship. I have always been a Kobe fan, but now I definitely believe he will go down as one of the Top 5 players ever.
I have repeatedly said over the last five years that Phil Jackson is the best coach of all time. He handles players better than any coach I have ever seen. I get tired of pundits who say he had Jordan, Shaq and Kobe. Well, you must remember there were coaches who also had those three and did not win. The man is a brilliant coach and in my estimation his 10 NBA titles will stand forever as a record.
I can honestly say that if he were coaching the Orlando Magic, they would be celebrating today and that’s just how good he is.
I will not finish this article without giving props to Pau Gasol and Trevor Ariza. They were tremendous when needed. Gasol was physical defensively and productive on the offensive end. Ariza won the series with his 13-point outburst in the third quarter of Game 4 and his defense on Hedo Turkoglu was impressive.
So although I picked the Magic in six games, I have to admit the Lakers showed toughness, commitment and, most importantly, a desire to win despite of the roadblocks in their way.
This will go down as one of the best playoffs ever. The Bulls-Celtics series was a classic. The Rockets showed how good they could be despite not having Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming.
The Magic win in Boston Garden over the Celtics and the close games in the Cavalier series were must-see TV. I will miss the debates and tension I have experienced the last two months, but I look forward to going through it all over again in 2009-10.
One thing is for certain… The Los Angeles Lakers are NBA champions for the 15th time in franchise history and this one will be remembered as the best because Kobe Bryant proved once and for all that he can put a team on his back and reach the promise land only reserved for the greatest players ever.
Andrew Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 7:23 pm
It’s funny but whenever people write out a list of “what ifs” it can always be reinterpreted as I wouldn’t be so upset right now if only (fill in the blank) hadn’t happened?
Those on the winning side don’t really play the hypothetical game because they’re preoccupied with with something called reality (and sarcasm!).
I can’t believe this guy thought he had a shot at the Suns coaching job last summer. The more he writes the more I’m reminded of one of my favorite quotes:
“Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
eddie Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 7:33 pm
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Andrew Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 7:23 pm
It’s funny but whenever people write out a list of “what ifs” it can always be reinterpreted as I wouldn’t be so upset right now if only (fill in the blank) hadn’t happened?
Those on the winning side don’t really play the hypothetical game because they’re preoccupied with with something called reality (and sarcasm!).
I can’t believe this guy thought he had a shot at the Suns coaching job last summer. The more he writes the more I’m reminded of one of my favorite quotes:
“Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Its funny that people feel like they are 100 percent correct in figuring out why someone didnt get something.
this is what you should read from me when i write.
“boy does he speak his mind and is not afraid to put himself on the line.”
Andrew thats why i am where i am—– and you just comment about where i should be. Now who is trailing whom? BE-DO HAVE—–go buy the book and you might learn how to believe in yourself instead of believe what others should be doing. (-:
Holla Bolla Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 8:35 pm
Eddie,
Your act is tired. LA dominated games 1 and 5. the middle 3 games were up for grabs..like most finals, bounces here or there, missed throws, turnovers, foul calls, etc..games can go go either way and LA got the two they needed. this also could have been a sweep had mamba made 9-10 throws and made a layup in Game 3. Compare that to D. Howard in Game 4, a horrendous throw-shooter at the the line with 11 secs left..he missed two, not a shock. He is not Reggie.
The reasons you give for O to win Game 4 are the same ones you can give for LA to win Game 3. You fail to mention that O had 17 throws in Q4 in game 4…refs did there best to help the Magic..LA had ZERO throws, overcame 20 misses from Mamba and still won. Also, Phil would only be coaching the Magic if Kobe played for them. Quit looking for a scape-goat. Stan Van is a nice coach..made you look silly for picking Cleveland. This was a close 5 game series.
Mamba said knock you out.
MR. BASKETBALL Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 9:39 pm
It’s official you hate the Lakers.Guys it’s no reason to make educated arguments because his blogs have nothing to do with intellectual acumen. It’s just his disdain for the lakers. Maybe he lost money on them or had a horrible experience. He has no credibility in my eyes anymore.After this…ORLANDO HAS MORE TALENT THAN LA????. You sir are the guy who would pick Sam bowie again. I thought micheal jordan had the worst eye for talent. He is jerry west compared to you. Close the book on eddie, same story evey page(i hate the lakers).
Larry Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 10:02 pm
Eddie,
I try to give you the benefit of the doubt on most occasions, but you have gone off the deep end this time. You must be on drugs if you think the Magic are a more talented team than the Lakers. Its time to lay off the haterade and get professional help. Perhaps the old proverb says it best. “Just because you have convinced yourself, does not mean you have won the argument.” Truly pathetic.
t Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 10:41 pm
What if the referees did not help Magic and made correct calls on Pietrus’ double dribble fast break and basket interference’s put back on game 3
james Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 10:43 pm
What if’s dont count eddie. LAKER HATER
eddie Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 10:44 pm
Kobe, Gasol, Odom- Howard,Turkoglu,Lewis
Bynum,Ariza, ? - Pietrus,Nelson,Alston,Lee
yea i can make an argument that the Magic were a more talented team. Mr Basketball.
james Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 10:47 pm
LIke I said Lakers in 5 and I was correct. Dont go for teams u like go for the more talented team. what if my aunt had balls.
Jeff Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 10:53 pm
More talented??? Eddie, seriously, you need a new profession. Or maybe you could just do these columns when the Lakers are not in the finals because you have lost your mind on this one.
Best players: Kobe or Howard = Kobe
2nd: Gasol or Lewis = Gasol
Bynum, Odom, Fisher and Ariza or Turkoglu, Alston, Pietrus, Nelson. At best (for the magic) this is a push. On top of that, we are talking the finals where Fisher’s value is way higher.
Bottom line… You are a bitter, former, Phoenix Suns player. Just admit it.
Carnell Johnson Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:03 pm
You predicted the Magic would beat the Lakers. Doesn’t surprise me, you are a true Laker hater, but in saying that, you proved my points that I stated to you a couple of years ago when your beloved Suns were playing no D and shooting a ton of 3’s. Three ball run and gun basketball don’t win championships, and once again, just cause you’ve played in the NBA don’t make you an expert when you predict games. Especially you, you dont predict with your head, you predict with your love for the Suns and hate for other teams other than the Suns.
Better luck next year Eddie….I’m sure we’ll get more of the same worthless predictions. Not to mention wrong ones.
eddie Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:05 pm
i said more talented overall. did you read my column? who did i list as one of the top five ever? it was not Howard so why are you comparing him with Kobe?
I said more talented overall not individually. i love you Laker Fans. you guys are never satisfied. where were you guys last year when Boston won? and where will you guys be next year when Garnett comes back? should we put a asterisk next to this title? calm down. as i said i love Phil and Kobe, but thats it—-hold it i love Frank Hamblen as well, but lets face it i will never convert. Just like you will not. so enjoy the title it is much deserved, but don’t expect anybody outside LA to be happy for you. that will not happen.
eddie Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:09 pm
Carnell Johnson Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:03 pm
You predicted the Magic would beat the Lakers. Doesn’t surprise me, you are a true Laker hater, but in saying that, you proved my points that I stated to you a couple of years ago when your beloved Suns were playing no D and shooting a ton of 3’s. Three ball run and gun basketball don’t win championships, and once again, just cause you’ve played in the NBA don’t make you an expert when you predict games. Especially you, you dont predict with your head, you predict with your love for the Suns and hate for other teams other than the Suns.
Better luck next year Eddie….I’m sure we’ll get more of the same worthless predictions. Not to mention wrong ones
You wrote the same thing last year when i picked Boston. Was i right then?
What about when i predicted the Suns would come back from being down 3-1 you bad mouthed me then. what happened? Calm down and enjoy the parade. i wrote a nice article and i admitted i was wrong about this Laker team, but thats all you get. (-:
what makes me different from you Suns, Spurs and Celtics haters in LA? NOTHING
eddie Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:12 pm
June 15, 2009 @ 10:47 pm
LIke I said Lakers in 5 and I was correct. Dont go for teams u like go for the more talented team. what if my aunt had balls.
I assume she would be your uncle?
Carnell Johnson Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:17 pm
Surely you didn’t put the Suns in the same sentence with the Lakers, Celtics & Spurs! They all have something your beloved team will never see. So enjoy the the only championship banner that will hang in US Airways Center, compliments of the Mecury. And you didn’t predict Lakers in 5, you said the Magic would win the series.
PhillyGuy Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:35 pm
As an avid Sixers fan,I never thought that I would become a Kobe fan but the way he carried the Lakers to a title is simply amazing.Hopefully the Lakers can keep the core of the team together because Odom and Ariza are free agents.
MR. BASKETBALL Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:39 pm
Eddie were you joking?
Kobe, Gasol, Odom- Howard,Turkoglu,Lewis
Bynum,Ariza, ? - Pietrus,Nelson,Alston,Lee
Is the what you meant eddie?
kobe= howard,turkoglu,lewis
so gasol= pietrus,nelson,alston and lee.
you know the lakers wouldnt even accecpt those as trade proposals.If the finances worked that is. howard is a younger ben wallace, lewis is a tall jj reddick..turk can play i respect him. And did you really buy that horrible backcourt as talent? that’s who lost the series for em was the backcourt….eddie man fallback please…the more you write the less it seems you know about talent. Let me put it like this..I think yo were just as good as lewis he just in a better system. You are an admitted sharp shooter not too much of a ball handler like lewis. I think you are mistaken numbers with talent. If lewis played for the lakers and many other teams he would come off the bench. kobe nor gasol would and odom would of been starting on any other team. SO again you are wrong and i proved it.
Andrew Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm
Eddie-
One need only listen to you broadcast a Suns/Lakers game or hear you interviewed on the radio to know how much you hate the Lakers. I’m just asking that you let it be known upfront when you make your predictions instead of trying to pretend you’re objective.
Between your list of the NBA’s best players and your inability to ever predict the Lakers winning anything it’s hard to take you seriously as an analyst.
I’m a Lakers fan but I can take off my Lakers hat and put on my objective hat and recognize the Lakers got their asses kicked by Boston last year and that it’s too late for Kobe to ever equal Michael Jordan. I will admit that he’s a big a-hole but I don’t want him to be my friend. I want him to represent my city to the best of his ability and win championships.
I want to know that my hard earned money that I pay for my season tix will grant me the opportunity to see at least one guy out of twelve actually earn his eight-figure salary.
People are so busy trying to figure out what Kobe isn’t good at instead of focusing on what it is that makes him great. It used to be he couldn’t win without Shaq.
Now I’m hearing you say he wouldn’t have beat the Celtics or Cavs (besides the fact that the Lakers were 4-0 against them). Sure the regular season means nothing (as evidenced by Orlando winning both regular season meetings with the Lakers). But if you want to play the hypothetical game and all we have to go on are games that actually happened then I like the Lakers chances against either squad.
Did you know the Orlando Magic averaged 101 ppg in the regular season yet averaged 90.4 ppg in the Finals?
One more thing—I’m not speculating on where you should be. I’m just telling you where I think you shouldn’t be.
Scoreboard update: Lakers - 15 championships (10 in my lifetime) vs. Suns - 0
Larry Said,
June 15, 2009 @ 11:57 pm
Typical Laker fans. When someone picks another team over their team they are “Lakers haters”.
Eddie Johnson was one of the great scorers in the league and has been to the conference finals his team being robbed by the officials as the PHX Suns shot 64 yes 64 free throws in game 7 of the 1993 W, Confeence finals in 1993 in bearting his Sonics. I think he is not talking player potential as Bynum could hardly play as he can’t figure out how to get less than a foul every 4 minutes. He may be great eventually but far from a role player at this time. The Lakers were the better team and would have won in 6 or 7 games even if he Magic had made a lay-up and had a coach with a brain. Kobe willed this team on a a mission to win and Eddie pointed it out. One of the people who coached Eddie , the late Cotton Fitzsimmons told me he fouled more than 20 times with a 3 point lead and less than 10 seconds and won every game. It’s a percentage move that only idiots don’t do.
Laker fans must realize their will be 2 opinions on every issue and sometimes the other one is wrong. Don’t forget the Magic beat the team with the league’s best record and the 3rd beast record before the finals. While I didn’t agree with his pick one can certainly see why someone could justify picking the Magic.
Larry Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:04 am
being wrong not picking the Lakers doeasn’t make you are a Laker hater. Beating the teams with the first and 3rd best record’s to get to the finals gives the Magic credibility. The Lakers were better. It doesn’t mean he hates the Lakers. Be reasonable.
todd Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:06 am
Eddie Eddie Eddie Please step away from the computer it is rotting your brain, you should be sitting on a front pourch drinking Ensure not trying to figure out who is a better player then kobe or a better team then the lakers
Jeff Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:32 am
Eddie,
I did read your column.
When you say the most talented “overall”. That is ridiculous. Most commentators have said that this was one of the deepest teams to ever win “since the salary cap was put in place”. You on the other hand say the Magic are the “more talented overall”??? Despite the fact that the Lakers have FOR SURE a better top two, better starting lineup and are seen by almost everyone (except you) to have the deepest bench in the playoffs. So, yes, I read your article. And yes, the “more talented” comment still makes no sense.
As far as where I was when Boston won, don’t kid yourself. I am right here as a Lakers fan…always. And…lets not forget…we were without Bynum. They basically beat us up inside without him.
By the way, I didn’t read it. Did you ever comment on the best acting job of all time when Paul “Meryl Streep” Pierce pretended like he was hurt? As a former player, you had to of made fun of that guy. Seriously, that was lame. Skipping back in, etc… Now there is a guy I can’t stand. The self proclaimed “best player in the NBA”. What a faker. What a wuss.
Go Lakers!!!
Michael Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:33 am
Eddie,
I have been following your blog for quite a while now, and the more I read about what you are writing, the less impress I am. Throughout the whole playoffs, it seemed as if you been against the Lakers, which is fine, but I find it hilarious how first you say Cleveland was the best team in the league and now you say Orlando had more talent than the Lakers? You can throw all the what if’s you want, but really you can be saying what if’s about the Lakers losing last year. Last year, the fact was that Boston was a better team. Clearly this series, especially game 5, demonstrated that the Lakers were more talented than Orlando and is the better team. The Lakers won 4-1 and if Orlando was that much talented, I’m sure the series there would be a game 6 in L.A. I find it hilarious that ever since the Lakers went to 7 games, people began to write them off saying “they went to 7 games with Houston, they are defintely going to lose to Denver” That’s not true. Boston went 7 games twice last year and won the finals. I was absurd that you thought Cleveland would win the championship because they cruised through the first two rounds. It’s always good for teams to go through adversity. I agree, experience did play a factor, but you make it’s not clearly the only factor. The Lakers are that much better. I know it’s your opinion, but Eddie, come on man, you killin me.
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:38 am
Jeff Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:32 am
Eddie,
I did read your column.
When you say the most talented “overall”. That is ridiculous. Most commentators have said that this was one of the deepest teams to ever win “since the salary cap was put in place”. You on the other hand say the Magic are the “more talented overall”??? Despite the fact that the Lakers have FOR SURE a better top two, better starting lineup and are seen by almost everyone (except you) to have the deepest bench in the playoffs. So, yes, I read your article. And yes, the “more talented” comment still makes no sense.
As far as where I was when Boston won, don’t kid yourself. I am right here as a Lakers fan…always. And…lets not forget…we were without Bynum. They basically beat us up inside without him.
By the way, I didn’t read it. Did you ever comment on the best acting job of all time when Paul “Meryl Streep” Pierce pretended like he was hurt? As a former player, you had to of made fun of that guy. Seriously, that was lame. Skipping back in, etc… Now there is a guy I can’t stand. The self proclaimed “best player in the NBA”. What a faker. What a wuss.
Go Lakers!!!
That was funny! thats why i refuse to live in LA.
Jeff Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:40 am
By the way, I appreciate your comments and being direct. At least you admit that you are a hater. Problem is…some people that don’t know who you are take what you say as an educated opinion. Truth is that your bias gets in your way. That is all that I was pointing out. And…you pretty much confirmed that point.
Jeff Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:44 am
Funny maybe, but come on be honest… You had to laugh at Pierce a little bit. Didn’t you?
I remember you. As much as you were a Suns player (and I didn’t like you - of course), you were a tough competitor.
Jeff Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:05 am
By the way ,times two…
Did you really pick the Suns to come back from 3 - 1 that year??? If you did, that was a damn good prediction. And you are a REAL Laker hater for sure on that one!!!
Boi Boi Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:11 am
LAKERS ALL DAY!
BLACK MAMBA ALL DAY!
Kyle Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:20 am
Sorry, Eddie. I am a Laker fan, and these idiots are making respectable fans look bad.
I almost agree with you. Magic has comparable talent to the Lakers. This was proved when Sahsa Vujacic, Jordan Farmar, and Shannon Brown did NOTHING in the Finals and Luke only showed brief flashes of good play. If you had never seen the Lakers play, before the Finals, it would be easy to believe that Magic was a deeper team.
What was Mr Basketball smoking? I want some. Dwight Hoawrd is a tall Ben Wallace? I should think not! Dwight Howard had difficulty with the length and craftiness of the Lakers’ bigs and Dalembert of the 76ers. However, against Boston and Cleveland, Howard dominated in ways that Ben Wallace (a player I admire) could never dream of. Howard is not polished and needs some post moves, but the guy is 23 and still has fantastic potential.
Though, at times I disagree with you, Eddie, and you may be a bit biased against the Lakers, I think that you write quite interesting articles. Plus, you are not afraid to mix it up with the idiots, online.
Have a good one.
Kyle Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:31 am
Oh, plus, yes, experience and clutch performance completely decided the series. In the previous rounds, Orlando made the plays down the stretch, in the Finals, they did not.
Orlando could easily have been up 3-1 in the series.
I doubt that you called that the Suns would win when they were down 3-1 to the Lakers. If you actually did, can I get Wednesday’s lotto numbers, please?
Doyouwantmore Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:34 am
Keep up the good work Eddie. As always a good article with some real insightful points that might not have occurred to most people. And for an added bonus we got to see the true nature of the fair-weather, star-struck, pop-culture, too-much-tv-watching L.A Laker ‘fans.’
One critique though: NO WAY Kobe is a top-5 player all-time. Pau Gasol was the difference-maker. Also, Kobe is the most cliche and trite interviewee in the game. Great ballplayer, no doubt, but totally uncharismatic as a person.
henry Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:59 am
as a die hard laker fan, i liked your article eddie
you say kobe will go down as top 5 to ever play the game? who are your top 10 players to ever play the game (current players included)?
TD Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 2:36 am
Put a team on his back throughout the playoffs and win a championship? What about TD 2003 Eddie? 21/20/10/8 Title Clincher
Chris Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 3:01 am
Eddie,
I enjoy reading your thoughts, and it’s great to get an opportunity to pick the brain of someone with your experience in the league. And I love that you’re willing to go back and forth with the commenters on your blog.
That said, I, too, am having a hard time with the contention that the Magic are the more talented team. To my eyes, that Lakers team has so many really skilled offensive players that they struggle to incorporate everyone and I would actually say that they still have talent they haven’t yet found a way to utilize consistently. It wouldn’t hurt them if Gasol, for instance, found a few more shot opportunities a game. And I think Odom could still be close to a 20-10 guy in a different situation.
Is it just the potential of Howard to become an overwhelming Shaquillian force that makes you say that? A love of lanky forwards with deep shooting range? A conviction that everything is different if Jameer Nelson is healthy? Because we just saw 5 head to head games, and I don’t think the Magic decisively won the battle at any position. I realize you can get outplayed by someone with less natural ability, and the PG situation really hurt Orlando, but has your opinion of say, Gasol or Ariza’s ability changed at all considering their individual success in the Finals?
perez Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 3:10 am
Lakers played without Bynum or Ariza last year against Boston. Those 2 were playing great when they were injured. Instead of watching Perkins push Gasol around and Pierce being guarded stright up by Radanovic, things would have been different imo. There is no reason to believe the Lakers can’t be as good next year unless they lose Odom and Ariza. That was just year one of a new dynasty.
JasonW Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 3:47 am
“Lakers in my estimation beat a more talented team”
c’mon…! “more talented team”? You’re a hater. I get it! but c’mon…
Even Magic fans acknowledge that the Lakers are way more talented!
Aito Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 4:07 am
Gasol, Gasol and more Gasol (He is batman). He was the key. It’s true that Ariza has done a great job. but Gasol has beaten Superman with his clever defense. He has made 5 double-double out of five games. His percentage in field goal is almost perfect. Without him Lakers are not even an favourite for the title.
Jack Nicholson has also been important.
bibifok Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 4:21 am
Eddie, I told you LA would win this year !! I’m surprised you pick Kobe as a top 5 all-time, finally you’re not a true hater ! Great to know that ! Anyway you’ve done a good job last year by picking Boston, not this year … 50 %, it could be worst
Now I really want to see a Cavs-Lakers or Celtics-Lakers finale next year, sure you’ll take East to win …
Take some holidays my friend, 2009-2010 will be a long and difficult season for Lakers’ haters with the repeat !!
Greg Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 4:24 am
Look, if you really consider the players, coaches, GM, and owner the Lakers have 48 titles on their side against 0 for the Magic. Now that is experience over none.
interjected Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 4:48 am
Jeez Eddie, how can you say that the Magic have more talent?
First, the low post.
Gasol and Howard are both legit All-NBAer’s, who played each other to a push. Bynum never recovered his January form, which was helping LA crush teams, a max player for whom any team would trade a Lewis equivalent in a heartbeat. Odom, a near all star skill player is way more than the remaining Gortat/Battie filler.
Ariza and Turk are both free agents and of pretty comparable value, one better offensively the other defensively. Again, matter of preference.
Pietrus, Lee, Rafer, Nelson against LA’s all star guard, some solid mid-level (~$5M/yr) players in Fish, Vujacic (awful in these playoffs)and useful backups Farmar/Brown. If Kobe was a run-of-the-mill all star (say MRedd), they’d be comparable. BUT, what’s the value of having an MJ or a Kobe on your team? Gives the talent surplus to the Lakers. Not Orlando.
Piswgorilla Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 8:19 am
Eddie,
if the elephant on Kobe’s back was Shaq, guess what: he now has a Spanish giraffe on his back without whom he’d not get to the finals. And that is Pau Gasol. I don’t know why it is so hard to hear these simple facts these days by the experts.
Kobe might get to be one of the top five but is not as fun to watch as other all-time greats. He’s very efficient (most of the time) because of the thousands of hours of preparation but not even close enough to be as creative as MJ or Magic. It’s a mind game more than anything at this level, and his is a linear and crystallized one, an automaton more than a creator and an improviser. On top of that his personality does not help him.
Cordell Taylor Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 8:43 am
Excellent article EJ,
I agree that Kobe has cemented himself as one of the top 5 basketball players ever with his fourth title, I think he can push this Laker team to a fifth title next year if Bynum can stay healthy and the rest of the team stays intact (Ariza, Odom). I totally agree that experience won this NBA title for the Lakers, they were focused and hungry after a huge meltdown last year where they thought that talent alone would get them over the hump against the Celtics.
I am sure Herb would love for Lebron to get there next year but he is going to need major low post help if he wants to get the Finals again. Is Shaq the answer? Also, how much better is Dwight Howard going to get next year, he is bound to be hungrier for a title next year after watching the Lakers celebrate on their home court.
Lamar Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 8:58 am
Uhhh, didn’t you forget someone Eddie when talking about giving props? How can you write an entire article on how the Lakers won and not mention me one single time? Everyone says when I’m playing well that the Lakers are unbeatable and I played well this entire season (except in Game 4 when the refs decided to call a foul on me every time I exhaled). Bynum was just a token starter and I finished every single game for them and got most of the minutes, rebounded well, shot the three, distributed and played very good defense.
Mark Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 9:13 am
Eddie, i don’t know how the hell you ever became an NBA player, so maybe IQ doesn’t have to do anything with it, but based on some of the articles you have wrote, i think that you’re just plain STUPID!
Mark Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 9:39 am
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:38 am
That was funny! thats why i refuse to live in LA.
I enjoyed this comment, you just know when someone doesn’t know what to say anymore when they know they got beat.. By the way, i’ve been a laker fan for decades, win or lose I AM HERE, and so are a lot of Laker fans.
Hey how about a what if article for the Lakers last season? LOL. What if Ariza was healthy? What if Bynum was healthy? What if Boston didn’t come back to win game 4? AND NOW YOU SAY THAT YOU’RE NOT A LAKER HATER? lol.
With that dumbness of yours, i hope you NEVER LIVE to see your Suns get back to the playoffs. That’s the curse of your stupidness, because right after you die, they’ll make the playoffs! LOL!
Johnny Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 9:42 am
I find it amazing that anyone that picks a side and lists
all the “what ifs” and then this determines that the loser should have won or be ahead. It goes both ways. In the game where Orlando shot
a record percentage and barely WON! Kobe missed 5 free throws and turned the ball over twice in the crucial fourth quarter. The Lakers would have won!
David Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:06 am
Hi Eddie,
I’m from Germany and have been reading your articles for quite a while now. I’m a Lakersfan (I moved with Jackson from CHI to LAL) and really enjoy the success that they have after they had to rebuild nearly from the scratch seven years ago. It was a long long way back to the top. There where a lot of downs before finally the ups arrived.
I never thought of you as a Lakers hater before, but you convinced me finally that you are. That is not an issue in the first places, because every one has his favorites and teams you just don’t like. The thing that really gets me angry is that you pretend to be an expert, but you don’t act or write like one. I’m pretty sure you made a lot experiences over the years (which we know are more important then van Gundy admitted; he was only trying to save his team anyway), which usually should enable you to make objective comments. But somehow that didn’t work out that way.
Even if I write about the Celtics, the Spurs or the Jazz which I really don’t like but respect, I can take my Lakers glasses off and write as a basketball fan. Of course I’m a little harder on them than on most other teams, but I’m still realistic.
Reading your articles now is like reading articles in bball threads where they just so busy with being against the other team, that they just can’t be taken seriously anymore. I don’t think that this is want you want, right?
The Lakers won the Finals, because they had experience, Kobe, Phil, Pau and because they are the better and smarter overall team. Orlando only had 3 or 4 plays to get Howard the ball under the basket or find a spot up shooter for a three. Even I knew where the ball would get. The Lakers did a great job defending that and therefore containing Howard in the paint and limiting the three point shooters. Never thought they could do both. The Lakers got their ass kicked against Houston but stepped it up and got better.
Howard to me is a young version of Alonzo Mourning, with even more muscles but not as close as a good defender as Mourning was. Howard is basically a help side blocker but still has great potential and years to reach that. Lewis is big shooter, not more or less. Hedo is very skilled offensively but lacks speed and post moves. I have to say that this series would have been even closer if Nelson wouldn’t have had that injury. It was a bad decision to bring him back as it destroyed the chemistry so far that Alston played like crap when Nelson played close to his minutes or even more.
I would have enjoyed a battle with the Celtics more, but unfortunately they didn’t have the health to get past Boston. The same thing prevented the Lakers last year from beating the Celtics. The Celtics deserved it last year (even though I still hate them), because they where more ready, healthier and hungrier. The Lakers overachieved anyway as even Phil admitted it.
Lets see how the next year is playing out. Would be great if we (the Lakers) would meet Boston again (hopefully both teams healthy).
Eddie, it would really suit you more if you could be “a little” more objective and be the expert I’m sure you are if you don’t let these hard feeling against the Lakers (don’t know if that concerns other teams too) take over your expertise.
Have a nice day!
NMQ Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:22 am
I don’t know man. I’m very disappointed reading your articles..
Just a few examples:
Van Gundy eating his words? Why don’t you eat yours? So I guess you want him to apologize so he is forgiven eh?
Kobe fan? Yet you didn’t pick his team to win the championship? It’s either you’re more Orlando fan or your no Kobe-fan at all. Come on! You’re hating!
I could not help but be amused on what other people are saying. Bottomline, season is over, and so is your writing. You should be fired. It’s easier to understand that your a Magic fan than saying your not picking on teams but obviously, with your writing, you’re more on Orlando > Lakers.
More talented? Duh.
Magic wins the championship? Not taking into consideration Kobe and his Lakers redemption from last year’s embarrassment? Lakers wins the championship in Florida.
I like your writing but please, just take sides, root for them, then when you lose, it’s easier to understand. No what if’s, and or maybe’s. Just like Jeff, he wants to be critical yet clearly, he is on Orlando’s side because it’s his brother’s team. But when you’re trying to be critical, yet shift side on who’s winning or trying to explain what went wrong that’s why they (Orlando) lost, it’ sucks!
Stuckey Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:27 am
To all my true fellow Laker Fans:
Its us against the world! Stay strong!
Porky Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:04 am
Eddie-
I thought you would be wise and lay low till next year.
Bad move to write another article. Sorry, but you have no credibility at this point.
justinmeilers Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:12 am
What if Eddie picked the Magic to win? - Oh my God. He did and now he’s saying Orlando is more talented. I didn’t think Eddie was this smart. The only reason people read his crap is because he’s faking what he’s writing. Let’s not read his bullshit anymore. Lets rid the world of fake editorials. We know you really can’t believe some of the shit that drops out of you blog so stop doing it.
josh Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:15 am
Orlando is more talented? Huh? How is Orlando more talented?
Howard vs Kobe (LAL)
Rashard vs Odom
Gasol vs Turkey
Ariza vs Cortney
Fisher vs either ORL PG
I would say the Lakers were better at 4 positions.
justinmeilers Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:15 am
Hidayet Turkoglu: “Stan gave me a chance to succeed”
And then Ariza torn me a new one. That was funny. Turk looked scared
Every Laker fan - I have a request - Please end your posts with
“EDDIE’S NOT A GROWN MAN NAME”
or
“Eddie’s and idiot”
Thanks
yellow menace Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:24 am
Eddie,
you were a great shooter, which explains why you picked orlando to win it..we all have our biases.
but like what john barry said…u can’t be a jumpshooting team and win… just because you can make a jumpshot, doesnt make you more talented.. we all know there are many factors that go into why a team would win
“Suddenly, it seems as though all the world’s a-Twitter.” « Blackout is the New Pink Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:31 am
[...] are made for 1 2 3 point games, not 13 point deficits. Bitching aside, there are plenty of reasons why the Lakers won. The Lakers were the better team, and I must admit that I’m glad Kobe was crowned a champion [...]
Jordan Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:33 am
The Lakers won cuz the Celts had injuries…nuff said
Trevin James Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:34 am
WOW Eddie. Looks like you have been beat up pretty bad for your Magic prediction.
What makes you say Orlando was more talented? What do you base that argument on? Another thing. Do you really think Boston would have been back in the finals with KG playing? I think it would have been interesting to see what a healthy Bynum could have done against KG last year. If LA plays next year like they played the last 7 games of the playoffs then they will be raising the Larry O’Brien trophy again next year. Whether KG is healthy or not. Whether Shaq goes to Cleveland or not. I personally thing Denver was the 2nd best team to play in the conference finals this year following LA and ahead of Orlando then Cleveland.
frank B Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:50 am
Eddie,
You are funny man. And incredibly stubborn. But your’e not stupid. A bit misguided perhaps but not stupid.
The thing I like about your articles is that they are outrageous, never politically (or factually) correct and always strike an emotional cord. I think that differentiates you from most people writing and creates this traffic on your blog. So many writers are so cliched it gets annoying.
Even though I generally disagree with your point of view, I do find myself enjoying reading your articles and the banter that follows.
However, you know what? No matter how you slice and dice it, the Lakers won!
Dude, I feel sorry for you. The Suns are going to suck next year and for the forseeable future. You are going to have to watch the Lakers crush your team for what, the next three years at least? No wonder you don’t like the Lakers.
Maybe your next blog will explain how Steve Nash, Grant Hill, and Shaq have found the fountain of youth and how Jason Richardson and Amare Stoudamire have learned how to defend. Why not predict a Suns championship?
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:52 am
Eddie loves twitter- jumpshot8 follow me laker fans
mike Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 11:59 am
eddie, did you get anything right about this post season that mattered?
Scott R Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:00 pm
“i love you Laker Fans. you guys are never satisfied. where were you guys last year when Boston won? and where will you guys be next year when Garnett comes back? should we put a asterisk next to this title?”
The Lakers beat the Celtics both times they played this year and KG played in both games. Since the Celtics beat the Lakers in the championship the Lakers have improved and the Celtics have gotten older and thinner on the bench. So in answer to your question, when KG comes back next year the Lakers will be exactly where they are now, defending NBA champs.
HotBoiAtl719 Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
Eddie,
At least you admitted your disdain for the Lakers, it’s good to know you weren’t just making those comments and predictions then saying you were neutral. That’s why fans don’t like most about commentators and columnists. We can read the disdain they have and they try to sell it to us as being a neutral observer. That Friggin “Sports Guy” (Bill Simmons) is just one to name a few
Now I’m a Big LAKER and I too think that the Magic are more talented than the Lakers. Most of the teams in the the playoffs were more talented than the Lakers (individually) that is, but as a team and the disparity between the best on the Lakers and the best on the others teams kind of push LA over the edge.
That’s why it’s so ridiculous with the LBJ comparisons and the MVP votes and Best in the game comments. Clearly Kobe has been the best in the game for years. Regardless of how he finished. Everyone wanted to say he wasn’t a leader but you can only lead those that want to be lead. They rave about LeBron’s numbers and assists but when it comes down to it you only get an assist if the person you pass it to makes the shot. Even when Shaq was on LA, KOBE carried the team in late games throughout the season and in the playoffs, but with all the hate towards Kobe’s person (his personality) he couldnt get any credit.
Now he’s lead a bunch of avg NBA players to a Championship.
Unlike MJ he wasn’t surrounded with the Defensive Player of the year, another top 50 player or Hall of Famer or Coach of the year but he got passed that all to win another title.
NO Kobe didn’t do it alone but he was the one player on one team that gave the rest of the team confidence and gave the opposing teams fits. This maybe the first title since Jordan that was won with a dominate guard as opposed to a dominate big man. In that respect you can make the MJ comparison.
Max Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
nice article,
everyone else learn how to debate and learn about journalism before criticizing.
Earl Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:16 pm
I don’t see how they are the most talented team but they did provide a huge match up problem for Lakers. That being said the same things that caused Magics to lose games were the things that helped the Lakers win games. The Lakers were confident in their game plan no matter what but Magics did not and they have been like that all year so to say what if is to say what is Howard had a good low post game. He would not be the same player if the what is is true. You could give Lakers what if as well. Part of winning in the finals is being able to play to win and not to lose and Orlando had this problem in Boston and were the same in LA. They beat Cavs because the Cavs could not match up with Orlando at all. Also Lebron has no post game. What if Lebron had a post game and could do what Bryant did in post maybe Cavs win. What if Lakers do not blow a huge lead to Celtics last year maybe they win. What if KG does not go to Boston lol. What if Bynum does not get hurt. The different in what if is the reason some people were not at work on 911 and some people were when that plane hits. What ifs will get you know where but if those what if goes against a teams know weakness it is pointless. You have to think a coach plans thing based on a team weakness. I have another what if for you what if Fisher makes a quick two and Lakers foul and after one or two missed free throw they get the ball back with time to score. They can either tie it like they did and win in regulation. This was something Phil planned for because Orlando could not shoot free throws but then they let Fisher make a 3 and did not score in the closing seconds. The way that game was going the Lakers were going to win it with or without Fisher’s 3. I am not going not you as person because everyone has bias and also everyone is wrong about stuff and right. I would not take any stock in someones guess unless they could guess the lottery numbers consistently lol.
David Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 1:37 pm
What you “bloggers” do not understand is that Eddie’s job is not to be right or wrong. It’s to get people to this site. And for that…many props, my man. You get more responses from your articles than any other writer here — must be a reason.
IKeep up the good work
Marlon Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 2:17 pm
There goes Eddie back peddling all the way to Phoenix with his tail between his legs. Overall more talented?!?! What hat did you pull that one from Eddie? At least you admitted that you are a Laker Hater. That much we got from you. And to say you’re a Kobe and Phil and Hamblen fan is like a bandwagoner who can’t admit he is a true bandwagoner.
What if this happened or what if that happened. Eddie stop with all these excuses and just man up. Seriously…I can see you predicting the East is going to eat up the West next year with Boston, Cleveland and Orlando. Last time i checked, Shaq couldnt do back to backs, Boston is a year older, and Orlando is going to live and die again with the 3’s less Turkey on the roster.
I also bet no matter what the Suns do this offseason, you’re going to have them dethrone the Lakers as the #1 seed out in the west. Heck, we as a Laker nation would be lucky to crack the top 8 on your list.
Eddie, your bias to the Laker Nation is so blatant. If you’re going to point out the weaknesses and flaws of the team, at least base it on facts and stats rather than your own perception or past experiences. i think that’s why Laker fans are up in arms over your article, at least that’s why i am. When Marc Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy has negative things to say about the Lakers, they can back it up with evidence and point it out which I can respect. But yours is just based on…I don’t even know. Overall talent?!?! Cleveland was the best team then it turned to Orlando?!?! If KG was healthy?!?!
Come on Eddie…man up.
Eric Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 2:25 pm
Relax…
Get off Eddie’s back. He made a couple of wrong predictions- who cares. Put yourself in the position of having to write your predictions and thoughts in an article. You will not come out looking great in all of your picks either. A good sports writer must provide good reasons for his/her predictions and must own up to them. The breaking down his reasons is what you must look into, not just the outcome.
Congrats to the Lakers!
manmade Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
I agree completely. Orlando practically handed the trophy over to LA…easily would be 3-2 going back to LA had it not been for the two overtime debacles.
No I do not hate LA, I used to be a loyal follower when I lived there, just hate kobe…LOL…no, no denying his greatness. I just don’t feel they earned it in that series, more so than Orlando giving it up. Cavs vs Lakers would’ve been an awesome series I think.
Andy Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
Hey Eddie, keep writing your column, judging from your predictions, it’s clear you will never coach. Write, because that’s all you clearly have.
Here’s a what if for you, had you been predicting from a real pure place with all of your dislikes aside, you might have had a more respectful out come. But now you just look jealous and everything you write looks like sour grapes. Take it to another level Eddie for next season, integrity is always welcomed.
theish Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 2:54 pm
Whether the Lakers or Magic won this year, the best team would not have won. Compare the Lakers to champs of the past 10 years. They would have gotten killed by every team they played with the exception of the Heat. Simply put, everyone on this website is on the Lakers b@ll$, so they have a bias to who the best team is. I m not even a celts fan, but everyone knows that celts are the better team. i agree with one thing eddie said. if the magic had phil jackson they would be the champs.
terryteaglelives Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 3:06 pm
Eddie I have to admit I respect your bball game and opinion. You gave props to Kobe and Phil, many people (especially Barkely) don’t admit they are wrong. You admitted it and I give you props were props are due. You may not be a Laker fan but hey many arent. This article was a nice read. The talent thing I dont know but I do know if SVG was coaching the Lakers then many of our leaders here in LA would be happy because they wouldnt have to pay for a parade. Peace out.
justinmeilers Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 3:08 pm
“EDDIE’S NOT A GROWN MAN NAME”
Come on guys - Lets get this going
Marlon Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 3:18 pm
Eric Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 2:25 pm
Relax…
Get off Eddie’s back. He made a couple of wrong predictions- who cares. Put yourself in the position of having to write your predictions and thoughts in an article. You will not come out looking great in all of your picks either. A good sports writer must provide good reasons for his/her predictions and must own up to them. The breaking down his reasons is what you must look into, not just the outcome.
Congrats to the Lakers!
That’s just it-he doesnt provide good reasons for his-her predictions! And you’re right! They must own up to them which he hasn’t completely done?!?!
Salaner Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 5:14 pm
Jorge Sierra, si todavía pintas algo aquí, por favor echa a Eddie Johnson. Lo suyo es lamentable.
(Translation: Jorge Sierra, if you’re still someone around here, please fire Eddie Johnson. He’s a sorry sight.)
Jams Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
I used to like reading Eddie’s stories…..
Like one of the other commenters above said, the more I read the more I realise that he actually has little idea about basketball analysis. Eddie when you say “at least I put myself out there” that is fair enough but I think you need to take more time in forming your opinions and ideas as you’ve been completely off the mark lately.
Efren Mendez Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 6:12 pm
Eddie,
“Orlando has more talent” Are you kidding? It’s not even close who has the best overall talent. It’s a common theme within people who are credible that the Lakers have the most talented team in the NBA this year. Please stop writing c*** like this. Stop hating on Lakers… Suns suck a**, deal with it…
Zaneos Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 6:26 pm
LA was always going to win this series. I applaud Eddie for going out on a limb on a blog, for the fact that you have muppets like the above taking cheapshots at you from the comfort of their bedrooms.
Orlando has proved they are a contender, and they deserved to win the Cleveland and Boston Series they way they played. I too Eddie had thought this was Clevelands but Orlando were a matchup nightmare personell wise for Cleveland. Had Boston won game 7, I think there would be a parade in Cleveland. If Cleveland re-tool over the summer with a couple of better perimeter defenders, and a descent big man defender they should have no problem getting through Orlando next year.
Orlando proved they can be mentally tough, but how can you really go against a team that has Kobe Bryant as their captain, and Phil Jackson as coach. Too much experience in this situation. Gasol is a world class player, and Odom would be a go-to guy on most other NBA teams.
This series reminded me of the Cleveland-SA matchup a couple of years ago. There was big hope that a (relatively) inexperienced team could beat an experienced team based on an emerging superstar and team chemistry. That series, you realised the series was over half way through game 1. Same in this series, LA had the mental edge before the first game was played.
Also too much length, Dwight was never going to dominate this series for the plain fact LA had too many bigs to throw at him.
Congrats LA, but look out for Cleveland next year!
Raj Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 6:28 pm
Eddie,
I’m not sure how you’re coming up with the argument that LA is less talented than Orlando. Perhaps a fully healthy and in-form Nelson could’ve changed that argument. But, though you’re not a stats guy, just take a look at this year’s PER ratings (via John Hollinger at ESPN) which give a rough estimate of each player’s per minute effectiveness:
Bryant 24.3, Gasol 22.2, Bynum 19.9 (don’t forget how effective he was in the early season before his injuries), Odom 16.5, Ariza 15.5
vs.
Howard 25.4, Nelson 20.6, Gortat 17.1, Lewis 16.8, Turkoglu 14.8
Lakers are better at almost every position here, and Odom is definitely more effective than his PER based on his +/- ratings. In addition, almost every analyst in the league pegged LA as the league’s most talented team entering the year, outside of maybe a fully healthy Houston team. Let’s also not forget that Farmar had a horrible year (compared to last year) as did Vujacic, but these guys are just as talented as Pietrus, Lee, etc.
VGold Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 6:44 pm
Eddie,
What ifs are the stupidest argument in sports! Every sport produces boucnes that could go either way, similar in football, baseball, hockey, and whatever else… What if Kobe nailed his freethrows in game 3? What if the refs called some hacks on D.Howard in game 4? The games happened, and there is no “what ifs” about them, lakers took care of business and dismantled Orlando!
And your argument of them being more talented is just absurd? Are we looking at the same TV screen? Lakers only have the best player in basketball since MJ left, along with an Internaional superstar in Pau Gasol, a young up and coming Center in Bynum, along with great wing players like ariza & odom… Where exactly are they less talented?
Bryan Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 6:55 pm
Nobody outside of LA will be happy? Are you crazy Eddie? Certainly you remember when The Lakers rolled into town…..complete rockstars! I went to the game in Chicago this year and there were so many Laker fans. Oh yeah, I live in Ohio and I’m completely ecstatic!! Garnett next year??? The East is tougher now with Cleveland, Orlando and Boston…..Have a good feeling LA will be back in the finals. You are such a typical Laker hater - so easy to spot.
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 7:21 pm
I was wondering why all these Lakers fans are worried about me and a parade is getting ready to happen. I am heartbroken from all the negative remarks I have gotten about my article. Let’s see.
I said Kobe is top 5 ever
I said Phil is the best ever
I said I love my ex Coach Frank Hamblen
I really like Derek Fisher and Brian Shaw
I love talking to my main man Jack Nicholson when I am in town.
I gave Ariza AND Gasol Props
I said the Lakers had more experience
I said the Lakers proved that they were the best this year
Wow, I am getting tired. And yet you Lakers Fans still complain. What is wrong with you people?
One guy tells me to never coach
A guy tells me I can’t write
A guy tells me I am a Lakers Hater
A guy tells me I am a failure.
Wow.
Guess what when I sat down and wrote this article I knew exactly what I was doing and I accomplished everything.
I was serious in my comments about the Lakers, but I knew I could get you Lakers Lovers upset with one word.
So now to the guy who says that’s why you don’t coach—oh really.
I just did to you guys what Phil Jackson has been doing his whole career and that is making you react with a comment or an action. I personally think this is great coaching material. When Phil wants production in a certain area he says and does things that bring on that response. I would like to think I am pretty good at doing that—-case in point!
I write my articles based on what I believe and when I write an article based on what Lakers Fan wants, and then I will quit writing. Until then you will respond because you love reading what I write. It stimulates you to think of a response. So guess what, I did accomplish what I wanted to do, just like Phil Jackson. I want all you Lakers fans to enjoy your Championship because it is well deserved, but it will not be a repeat. The Championship next year will rest in Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Houston, Denver or Phoenix if the Suns stay intact and add a few pieces—–You can bank on it LA—teams don’t repeat in this era.
Andrew Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 7:38 pm
Eddie said:
“You can bank on it LA—teams don’t repeat in this era.”
I think you meant to say “only LA teams repeat in this era.”
I love how you included Phoenix on the list of teams that will win the title instead of the Lakers next season. The Suns will be lucky to win the seventh seed in the Western Conference. If they win a round you should be happy. That would actually be progress for that no defense playing, no depth having, aging bunch.
Let me guess your postseason awards predictions for next season:
COY - Alvin Gentry
EOY - Steve Kerr
MVP - Amar’e Stoudemire
Most Improved - Robin Lopez
Sixth Man - Louis Amundson
Rookie of the Year - Whoever the Suns take in the first or second round
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 7:40 pm
Andrew
You are a funny dude, i like you.
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 7:59 pm
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/johnson/2008/06/02/six-reasons-will-reveal-finals-winner/
go to this link Laker Lovers and see my prediction last year.
Andre Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 8:03 pm
KOBE hits his free throws in Game 3, and we have a sweep.
Holla Bolla Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 8:21 pm
Eddie,
I’ve been on to you from the start. You need LA in it to get people to read your trash..can’t blame you.
Comparing yourself Phil Jackson? Yikes. You are only 10 rings behind
X
bobbylight Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 8:52 pm
Eddie, you got jokes. The Lakers will not repeat, huh. Thanks for the motivation man. It just helps our cause. Keep it up next season, really. I sincerely hope you get 5 good minutes on TNT or ESPN and say things like this within earshot of my team. Better yet, can you tell that to Kobe’s face sometime this summer? You can also remind Kobe that Nash was two-time MVP before Kobe even got one (WTF). That would be terrific. Thanks sport. (By the way, I wouldn’t bet two cents on the Suns chances next year… not in this economy).
David L Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 9:17 pm
Eddie, You said where will the Lakers be when Garnett comes back next year right. You know where we will be? In the NBA Finals again winning another title. Who cares about a Garnett. They may not even beat Orlando or Cleveland next year in the playoffs. But you can only pray for that. Hi Hater. ha ha ha. Did you ever win a title? No maybe over in Europe but that doesnt count. Were you an allstar or make an all NBA team? Ha ha ha man you just write crappy stories just like that idiot Jason Whitlock. You guys need to give it up and find a new profession. Laker Hater
Jason Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 9:34 pm
Eddie,
Orlando has more talent? I could hardly get past your headline - and seriously thought it was a joke. Aside from the 5 spot, I would take 1-4, the bench and the coach of the LAKERS anyday of the week. Although I guess outcoaching a Van Gundy requires no talent.
Of course Eddie never even made the All Star team, so in terms of talent I’m not sure he is qualified to write on the subject.
Jeff Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:11 pm
Eddie,
Phoenix will win the championship next year? You are playing us like Phil Jackson does the media?
I mean come on man…you can’t even believe that when you write it. You believe that as much as you believe Paul Pierce was really hurt in last year’s finals. Greatest part about’s Pierces fake injury last year was when the Celtics came out and made an official statement after the finals that Pierce would not need any type of surgery. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ….what a joke!!!
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:18 pm
Jeff Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:11 pm
Eddie,
Phoenix will win the championship next year? You are playing us like Phil Jackson does the media?
I mean come on man…you can’t even believe that when you write it. You believe that as much as you believe Paul Pierce was really hurt in last year’s finals. Greatest part about’s Pierces fake injury last year was when the Celtics came out and made an official statement after the finals that Pierce would not need any type of surgery. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ….what a joke!!!
Why would Pierce risk losing a game by missing important minutes faking in the locker-room? seems like you have no athletic bone in your body. never question a superior athlete. what do you do? how would you like if i came to your job and questioned why you took a day off and did not know you? go watch a reality show because obviously you have no clue.
Boston beat you last year and accept it. you guys get on me for using what-ifs, but you are still complaining about Boston. go to the parade and enjoy it.
Efren Mendez Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:39 pm
Eddie,
I like the fact that you are loyal to the Suns. But all we ask for (Laker Fans) is for you to be a bit more objective.
Regards,
Efren “I’ll be at the parade tomorrow” Mendez
JBEAN Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:41 pm
who else hear thinks eddie and bill simmons either swap notes via email or are roomates. All you guys jumping on eddie for being biased, i pretty much agree, but simmons is much worse. Go to espn and unleash some verbal abuse on that douche, he deserves it.
JBEAN Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 10:47 pm
One comment to Eddie; though i do like to tear your articles up i do appreciate your continued posting to the thread, it makes it much more enjoyable to read through.
Stephan Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 1:03 am
Great to read of all those weisenheimers here who know think they can manhandle Eddie. Read his articles goddamn and stop blabbering stuff. Yep, he was wrong picking Orlando but he had a point, and it was clearly and well shown by him in his blogs.
Anyway I do not understand why people read blogs only to write such bullshit hate-crap afterwards. If you are against a person, just don’t read his articles.
There are also some points I disagree but I would never go as far and say to Eddie “You’re wrong”. Dudes, I guess 99% of us never played in the NBA and do not have so much insight.
Props to Eddie for your blogs, it’s always a pleasure to read them. Personally I thought in the beginning 4-0 for Lakers because I thought the Lakers would do a great job switching on the perimeter and defending the shooters. They did that, still it was a very close series. I was surprised by Gasol of who I still think he is a whimp, but he fought well against Howard.
All in all, if the Magic could improve their team with a real slasher, someone who draws double teams by driving and kicking out the ball or passing well to Howard, of whom I think has to show that he can improve beyond athletic skills, then they’ll run through to the playoffs next year.
Oh, and Mr. van Gundy: By all respect, but how could you use Nelson?? Great way to show disrespect to those guys who carried your team all the way to the finals.
Taler Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 3:10 am
Why the Lakers won, Nelson’s unnecessary return and Van Goofy’s forget AJ and let Nelson play persistently,thats easy.
travis Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:11 am
Shaq to Cleveland LBJ Kobe finals best ever make it happen.
JasonW Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:52 am
eddie Said,
June 16, 2009 @ 7:59 pm
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/johnson/2008/06/02/six-reasons-will-reveal-finals-winner/
go to this link Laker Lovers and see my prediction last year.
go to this link eddie and see the bullshit you wrote not long ago.
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/johnson/2009/03/28/the-team-to-beat/
wait, there’s another one…
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/johnson/2009/05/13/these-guys-are-for-real/
and another one…
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/johnson/2009/06/03/its-orlandos-year/
enough?
john Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 7:43 am
EDDIE…COME ON STOP BEING A PRISONER OF THE MOMENT. TOP 5? SO WHOS TOP 5? ID RATHER HAVE MIKE, MAGIC, LARRY, WILT, RUSSELL, OSCAR, JERRY, DOC, ELGIN, SHAQ, AKEEM, AND DUNCAN OVER HIM.
Sudipta Mallik Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 8:48 am
Much respect to the Lakers franchise for winning their 15th NBA Championship. Well deserved…Record 10th title for Zenmaster. Kobe finally wins a ring, as the primary superstar…Finals MVP….32ppg-7rpg-6apg. This is still a pretty young team, so they will definitely be legit championship contenders in the near future……This was a really good series, despite ending in 5 games. Orlando had a great year….they lost to the better, more experienced team. After going down 0-2, it was pretty much over. G4 was a heartbreaker as well….Kobe is only 30 going on 31….he still has some mileage left. It’ll be interesting to see where he ranks among the alltime greats. I think he is in the Top 10……best player post Jordan era.
David from Germany Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 9:57 am
Hi Eddie,
it’s me again.
Don’t act as if it would only be the “Laker Lovers” who asking you for being more objective (which does not require you loving the Lakers, in case you missed it). I’m writing this as a NBA Fan in general, anyway. As I mentioned before you don’t have to like the Lakers to write an educated article about them. And the problem is not that you just went wrong with your prediction (at least for me). It is more that I expect some more credibility and objectiveness from a guy like you who should be more of a role model for basketball fans who read this blog, than a bitter man trying to play stupid “mind games” with fans. By the way, this is mind games first grade. If this is only about attention…well then you did just everything right. You’ve got a lot of it. But I would be heartbroken disappointed if that is the case with you. I think you would know better.
I read the article of your prediction last year (again) and that was really close. As I said before, I don’t think you don’t know what is going on. I always enjoyed reading your articles even though I don’t agree with everything you write. I don’t agree on everything what other experts are writing on ESPN.com or anywhere else (I don’t agree even to some of the comments here of so called “Laker Lovers”) either. I don’t have to. That is beauty of it. I have my own opinion and that is not about being provocative.
Try it, it makes a lot of fun.
eddie Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 11:15 am
Stephan
well said. most of my normal readers understand it’s just a blog and we debate and go at each other. for those of you who want to understand me go to http://www.jumpshotclub.com and read my blog intro.
The problem with some of you nitwits is that you try and get personal. you must know it does not work. I laugh at that stuff. what i really want is for you to show some intelligence and present your argument. i have said it before and i will say it again. I AM NOT A LAKERS FAN AND NEVER WILL BE. JUST LIKE MOST OF YOU ARE NOT SUNS FANS. So get use to it. I am a player fan, thats why i love Kobe.
eddie Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 11:16 am
i also twitter–follow me and hear my comments about the upcoming draft. JUMPSHOT8 is my user name
Vanessa Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 11:31 am
Lakers won cause they are too much for Orlando. Simply as that.
Vincent Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 11:35 am
Eddie you could have found a better opening line for your article then the one that you did because man its so wrong. Orlando had one position where they had a clear advantage (PG) and even at this position Derek Fisher’s experience overshadowed the two (2) orlando point guards youth. I informed you in your early posting that the lakers would work kobe in the left and right box, they did and it worked, I also can not believe that you believe that howard is better than gasol, bynum yes but not gasol or that lewis is better than odom or that hedu is better than ariza well I will make this one a draw since as smart of a basketball man that you are you must consider their respective roles on the their respective teams and finally lee vs kobe. The sum total of your arguement is extremely flawed and I would have thought that your great basketball mind wouldn’t show your obvious bias. Finally eddie the only reason the laker appeared to have to work as hard as they did to win this championship was due in large part to sasha and jordan inability to perform up to last years standard in this years playoff, if either of them played to the level of what was expected the lakers would have breezed threw these playoff and will do so for many years to come if they can find a SG to spell kobe and/or allow kobe to play at SF in order to throw a new wrinkle at their opponents. So eddie enjoy the laker ride because it potentially is going to be a long one lets say the next 4 to 6 yrs given the overall age of this team and having the option of a player or two coming to la la because they want a ring.
eddie Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
Vincent
nice response! now teach the rest of these Laker Lovers how to write and put together an argument like you and we would get somewhere.
frank B Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:14 pm
Hey Eddie,
I want to hear you put together that logical argument that the Suns are going to win the championship next year.
“The Championship next year will rest in Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Houston, Denver or Phoenix if the Suns stay intact and add a few pieces—–You can bank on it LA—teams don’t repeat in this era.”
What pieces are the Suns going to add? A new point guard and center perhaps?
I just read where Vegas just made the Lakers favorites for next year. I guess they are not banking on a Suns victory!
You were hating on Tracy McGrady in another blog, but to me, if he comes back at 75% or if they can add another go-to scorer Houston is going to be the biggest challenge to the Lakers in the West.
Phoenix is going to have to rebuild.
Sudipta Mallik Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:21 pm
In hindsight, Orlando in 6 was not that crazy a prediction given the fact that Lakers had shown some inconsistency in the earlier rounds (Houston series especially) especially on the defensive end. This was a competitive series, despite ending in 5 games and G1 and G5 being blowouts…to me the G5 blowout had more to do with Magic suffering that devastating, heartbreaking loss in G4. I also don’t agree with Stan Va Gundy’s comment about experience not being a factor….I think it was a HUGE factor. I picked Lakers in 6…which seemed to be the popular pick.
Benjamin Stacker III, Esq. Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:26 pm
Eddie,
I do not want to write to intentionally disrespect you in any way because I am a fan of you and your career. However, I would like to engage in intellectual discourse.
I echo the sentiment of many posters in that unless you are completely ignorant when it comes to talent, there is no way you even try to advance the argument that the Magic have more talent than LA when the Lakers have arguably the second best to ever do it. So, it is my firm belief that you said that for one of three reasons:
1. You accept being the villian and you seek that out.
2. Somehow you are paid based on how many people read your article (hits) and respond.
3. You truly believe the Magic are better than the Lakers. Now if that is the case, then you wont make it very far because you cannot step back and view things objectively because of your subjective disdain for a situation.
Im inclined to believe that it is not 3 because you have come so far and I doubt it was by accident. I will not go any further to refute the argument since many posters before me have done it so well. Although I will like to say this, Kobe is soooo much better than anyone on their team that if you look at individual matchups, you are not taking into account the total greatness of #24. Also, I think Pau is far and away better than their best player, be it Hedo or Dwight. I think Pau is underrated and is the most skilled big in the league (right now). Of course Duncan is probably the best PF of all time, but today, PAU is the best in the league. I challenge anyone to name a big that is agile enough to chase around Hedo/Rashad, shoot from the outside at a high clip, use BOTH hands around the baskets (not only layups, but jumphooks as well), shoot a high percentage from the line (that eliminates Duncan), and is an incredible passer.
That doesnt even begin to factor in the bench which is the best in the league by the standards of every NBA analyst except you. Come on Eddie…
Dave Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:44 pm
You could also as a “WHAT IF” in “WHAT IF” Andrew Bynum was healthy and at 100%…
If Andrew Bynum were healthy and at 100% he would play twice as many minutes (30+) per game….The Lakers would outrebound Orlando by another 5-6 rebounds every nite, and Dwight Howard’s offense would go down….
It would be a four-game sweep that would not go into overtime in any games.
The Magic lost Jameer Nelson and pretty cheaply got a replacement by mid-seasonin Rafter Alston…The lakers made no trade and got no replacement for Bynum…
If there were a rematch next year…both teams having same players Lakers would destroy them…
SB Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:46 pm
Very well written article, I agree with most all your points. The article is well balanced as well, that’s why it’s hard to see the reason for all the heated and some insulting comments left by “Internet Tough Guys”. I mean all props are given to the victors, the what if’s are very real and worth mentioning. Even though Orlando only won one game, it could have been going the other way; with one stop here, free throws made there, the right personnel on the floor at the right time. This series was very close nothing like the dominance and lop sided victories the Spurs did when they beat the Cavs (a couple years ago). Most times, close games is what happens. I think with the media hype of certain players people tend to forget that all these players are top notch talent, and most play hard to win. Basketball like most sports is a mental over physical game. At the top level everyone is good so it comes down to who is going to make the fewest mistakes, and who is going to make the opponent pay for his mistakes. Orlando didn’t make their opponent’s pay during the whole playoffs for their errors, so I knew playing against a Phil Jackson coached team they would be in trouble. Stan was out coached from game one, his rotation was very questionable, but hey at the end of the day it’s his call. Phil’s calm demeanor I believe is underrated, Stan tends to yell, scream, and curse at players which under normal circumstances can be nerving, but even more so under the pressure of the playoffs. They need to see their leader lead not have breakdowns or rather blow ups. The O’ has a young squad with talent but probably need to add someone who isn’t shy on taking the big shot or driving to the hole; I like passing but it became a hot potatoes type of passing game for them: “You shoot it” “Nah you shoot it!”. This may have been there best chance to win it, since LeBron will be coming back stronger than ever. If Garnett comes back solid: Boston may just go all the way again, whoa! Then there is always a surprise team coming out of the East. In the West if the Lakers keep all there pieces they would be favored to come out on top of the comp., barring any serious trades by other teams. Keep up the good work and God bless to all the readers. We are put here for love and not hate, and definitely not over a game or varying opinions over said game.
God Bless
Carlos MGM Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 4:51 pm
Eddie
greetings from venezuela excuse my writing as im just perfectioning my inglish (the writing part to be exact). i think its tuff to select the most talented team when the lakers have the deepest bench of the league. but it got lost somewhere around mid may. tru the playoff Orlando seems more deep as they use almost every player on ther roster Antony Jonhson Gorkat Battie Reddick besides the most common Rafer Pietrus Lee Rashard Hedo and DH. and when news came that Jameer was a go for the finals it seems more deep. all these players are role players (i mean the ones not named Hedo Rashard Jameer or Howard) and they all contribute one way or another as they have limited talent.
on the other hand we have the lakers bench. ODOM Walton Zasha Farmar and the rest of the mob. they were fantastic in the regular season but in the playoff we were witness of how they desapeared one after the other as only Odom and Walton( in short moments) remaing standing and contributing in the key moments the finals. Expierence was a Factor and hoever says the oposite its plain dumb (Sorry Stan) a think that as a team the lakers are better and far more talented right now. come on they got 6 starters and the fab five of Gasol Odom Ariza Kobe and Fish its Better than Dwight Rashard Hedo Alaston and the shooting guard no mater if it was Pietrus Lee or Reddick. Vincent its right one by one the lakers bested the magic.
lets see it i think Pau an Superman ended even. an that simply sets the tonic. when your superstar doesnt beat the other team second best men you clearly are in trouble. Yes Dwight Get de Double figures in points and rebounds but never looked dominant thanks to Pau (people still think he´s soft?) ho also got the double figures in pts and reb wile displaying mamouth play in the clutch. Odom was a giant in the boards he maked the 3s he defended he was a factor on offense ( he´s soft too wright?) Rashard aside of the first half of game 2 did not help much to the O cause. Ariza i think was the key factor of the series. supreme defense on Hedo who i think its the most complete offensive player in orlando, he simply takehem off the series. and the 3s wow unbelieveable. Kobe well besides Pietrus who i think really makes some serious effort to defend hem really outplayed lee and reddick. MVP say no more. The other key factor i think was Fish against Rafer and Jameer. Fish srtuggled during the playoff hiting only 23% from 3point land and losing confidense in he´s shot as he loses minutes in the court. but he came to the finals with new acttitude improving he´s shooting he´s defense while Orlando only got serious help from their pgs in game 3 when alston got on fire and seems to make every shot.
in the end the thing i think maked the biggest diference was the lakers hunger for the title. Orlando had a serious case in games 2 4 and 5 but they simply didn´t have the same hunger the hunger that gives the lakers the focus the motivation and that killer instinct that makethem right now the best team in the planet. if they could sustain that hunger thet definitly will repeat next year. no matter if garnett gets backm or if shaq goes tio cle or even if San Antonio find the secret to make TD and Company 5 years younger. Always remember that when to Giants battle each other the last standing will be the one who wanted the most
Dave Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 5:02 pm
How is Kobe one of the top-five players of all time?
My top 4 are…
1) Michael Jordan (5 MVP’s)
2) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6 MVP’s)
3) Bill Russell (5 MVP’s)
4) Magic Johnson (3 MVP’s)
5) Wilt Chamberlain (4 MVP’s)
There are 11 Players in NBA history that have 2 or more MVP’s…
Kobe is not one of them.
For him to join the top 5 he will have to lead the Lakers to two more titles, and pick up 2 more MVP awards…
He will fight for the 5th spot Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Moses Malone, Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Bob Petit…
That is tough competition…
At this point Tim Duncan slightly edges him…Duncan and Shaq are the two best players since Jordan retired in 1998….Also right now Kobe and Shaq have an equal amount of MVP’s…
Good thing is that Duncan is on decline and Kobe is still young…
As far as MVP of this season, LeBron just helped his team more then Kobe….If you leave out LeBron the cavs would be worst in the league..if you leave out Kobe….with Bynum, Gasol, etc.. the Lakers would still be a playoff team…
What makes Kobe better then Shaq is Kobe has been a more consistent defender…
If he gets the lakers to break the 72 game win record then many will say he is top 5….He has 4 more years where he can play at a very high level…
One thing I have been disappointed about with him, is that he has not been able to fill in at PG, when Fisher/Farmar are not healthy or not getting it done…It would seem that when Fisher is not able to be effective, that Kobe should just move to the PG, Odom should enter the lineup and they should play this tall lineup…I haven’t seen this happen….This would only work when you have a second player that is a great 3PT or outside shooter like Ariza, in the lineup…It has been sad to see an ineffective Jordan Farmar when Kobe could play…
As far as leadership, Kobe showed better leadership this season then Shaq ever has in leading the team….
If Kobe can make Bynum an all star give him great passes, develop him, etc… this would help his status..
He is hurt by fact he was seen as a bad attitude earlier, and some dispute how much he really helped the first two championships…
What will be exciting is I predict Shaq will join the Cavs and Kobe (and Lakers) will face off against Shaq (and Cavs) in next years NBA finals which would be the most excting finals ever…
Right now the strongest players of the 10 years since Jordan left are Shaq, Kobe, Duncan….Kobe needs to rise to the top of this…edge out Shaq and Duncan…it is not clear if he has done this…Jordan was clealry best player of 90’s…Kareem of 70’s…Russel of 60’s…etc..
Time will tell…and Phil Jackson is gone in a year and he will have to adjust to a new coach…I don’t think Mike Kryzeski will be the right coach…he won’t let Kobe run the team, he will be very disciplined….
Eric Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 5:33 pm
Great post Vincent!!!
You’re correct in saying the Lakers have a good opportunity to do some special things for the next few years. I don’t believe this Lakers team will become a dynasty though. The reason being that in no way did they show any dominance during this year’s run. What you see now is the best that they’re going to get. I don’t feel this Lakers roster as it stands now has any room for improvement. I’m not saying they don’t have a chance at repeating but I feel some teams will catchup.
clarkthink Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 6:38 pm
What if,……what if??????…….if a frog had a glass @ss he would have broke it by now!!
SB Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 6:50 pm
Good points made Dave. I guess in the end it all comes down to perception and the standards of what makes a great player. There have been so many great players in this league,both modern and past era, it’s a personal viewpoint of who’s the best. If we go with championship for my vote it’s Mr. Russel hands down no close second. He did feats that they weren’t keeping stats on at the time, or else his numbers would be soooooo untouchable. He seemed to win in a era when there were so many legends playing the game, and all were in their prime. Jordan played against solid players, but had the luxury of being younger than them and each season got better. But the fact is like any great player they need to be surrounded with great role players, who play their role to the max! Each era had some differs than the other, the 60’s were said to have the better shooters, the 70’s the better raw talents, the 80’s the better teams, the 90’s the more physical games (part of that coming from the late 80’s as well). I don’t know about all those arguments, they are all subjective, but I do believe the late 80’s and 90’s had the most physical era, no doubt. Jordan took a physical pounding for years trying to get past a touch Detroit and other teams of that caliber.
I wonder what more Magic would have done if he didn’t have to retire abruptly. Anyway it’s tough to make a case for who is the best, like I said earlier it’s so many variables: are you basing it off scoring, defending, championships, MVP, who made who better, etc, etc.
But back to the matter at hand, the Lakers have the upper hand for now but in the West it’s so close all the right team who’s close has to do is make the right move. Denver needs more size upfront, the Blazers may be seasoned enough to run with they got, if Oden can come back injury free, Houston did it up without it’s best players playing so if they keep them that can be scary! Ron Artest isn’t scared or int imitated by the Kobster, neither is Shane but it was hard to consistently guard him then try to be the go to scorer on the other end. If they keep T- Mac he will be free to light it up on the offensive end. The Jazz…… well I don’t know what there going to do the Lakers have had there number for a long time, and it was the Bulls before that. The same with Dallas, I don’t think they can get it done. Golden State could be dangerous again if they get and stick with a coaching style, they have a lot of young guns! Chris Paul just needs some HELP, just one person to step and score consistently, one is there one……? I guess it all just goes to how trades and free agents land, Shaq is still a major difference maker, especially with a scoring wing player, heck with any scorer/ shooters for that matter. I predict some shocking moves to be for financial reasons, so we may see the “man” on a few teams being shopped and shipped. Like when Garnett and Allen went to Boston; they couldn’t help but (to) win!
God Bless
eddie Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 7:31 pm
i am being blown away by some of these arguments guys—–great Job.
my next article will be about who i think are the top ten players of all time.
kingsblade Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 9:12 pm
Benjamin Stacker III, Esq…..what the hell?
Laker fans are the best. They remind me of like effeminate Eagles fans or something.
on a another note,
Dave said:
My top 4 are…
1) Michael Jordan (5 MVP’s)
2) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6 MVP’s)
3) Bill Russell (5 MVP’s)
4) Magic Johnson (3 MVP’s)
5) Wilt Chamberlain (4 MVP’s)
Brilliant.
kingsblade Said,
June 17, 2009 @ 9:13 pm
what the hell is the word “like” doing in my above post? It’s as though Laker fans are rubbing off on me or something.
Vincent Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 1:06 am
Thank you Eddie Johnson for appreciating my earlier thoughts that mean a lot man, I at no point wanted to appear to be putting you down because you have a right to view the NBA playoff as you see fit but Eddie for the sake of us thinking people please hide your bias a little better you don’t need to expose it to be a great basketball mind, and please believe I loved you as a player because you could shoot the rock and I always wished as a laker fan for life that the lakers would have acquired you even though they had Michael Cooper and finally if more players who have your similar skill set would take their god given ability more seriously like you did (I believe you did) the game would be some much better because most kid coming into the NBA today are hybred’s 6′5 to 6′8 and they can’t shoot. Remember Eddie you knew where you had to be on the court to get your shot or you worked the half court offense in order to get your shot to help the respective teams that you played on, today player like Rashard Lewis don’t work to get their shot to help their team when the other teams defense has taken away their first and possibly second option in running their offense as I remember I believe you did that, thats why I loved your game. Finally you must be a real dude or better said a real person to acknowledge a person opinion within these posting, thanks again Eddie
Stephan from Germany Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 3:35 am
@David from Germany: By accident you are not a coach residing in Rheinlandpfalz? Maybe then we know each other
@Eddie: Keep up the good work. I personally see no “personal issue” you have with the Lakers and cannot defame you as a “Lakers-Hater”. Maybe I read other Blogs than those who cry out loud in here, but I see that you have your points when comparing the teams. Maybe it’s that some cannot stand reading the word “talent” in favour with the Magic as long as they have Kobe in LA.
Seriously, I thing Gasol is highly overrated. IF he was such a brilliant player, why then was he not able to succeed with the Grizzlies? People, come on - sure he helped, but he was not the X-Factor. Odom was even more of an impact from what I saw. Gasol did a push in his years with the Lakers, but he is not the fact that they won the series, at least in my Opinion. If he would be such a great player, the Grizzlies must have been way better in recent years.
Anyway, it was a really tight series and it could have gone through 7 games, but the Magic did not have so much luck - and especially experience, regarding all those missed Layups and Free Throws. It’s not about the Three pointers that they have lost close games.
As maybe one critique towards you, Eddie, if I might be say so: When internet blog trolls start lashing out against you, I would stop commenting on such or throw even more oil into the fire. You should seriously comment to those who spend a hard time writing complete entries and not those kids. I agree to some part that, if you constantly reply to those people, this may be called “attention whore”. Those peops are not worth commenting to, the small sum of internet dickheads is always considered to be the louder part. Forget those
Thumbs up for your good Work here!
Cheers from Germany
Marlon Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 7:47 am
Bwahahahahaha….ok Eddie. If you are so objective and unbiased in your articles….please explain to me how in your world do you have Phoenix…let me write that again…PHOENIX, beating the Lakers in a series with an aging Nash, can’t play back to back games Shaq, and Amare?!?!? bwaahahahahaha…..please Eddie. Explain.
Harry Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 9:03 am
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie….
Per usual, you need to stay the hell away from the hypotheticals and stick to what you do best: breaking down the X’s and O’s. When the Mavs fell apart in 06 and 07, few writers out there broke it down better than you did. Here you break it down some, but you’re too distracted having to defend a bad prediction. Give us the those game insights and stay away from the abstract cause Bill Simmons does that stuff better anyway.
And to all the Lakers fans out there, enjoy it while you can because KG and Manu are probably going to be healthy out there and the Cavs and Magic will undoubtedly find ways to get better.
eddie Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 10:57 am
Marlon Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 7:47 am
Bwahahahahaha….ok Eddie. If you are so objective and unbiased in your articles….please explain to me how in your world do you have Phoenix…let me write that again…PHOENIX, beating the Lakers in a series with an aging Nash, can’t play back to back games Shaq, and Amare?!?!? bwaahahahahaha…..please Eddie. Explain.
The Suns won 46 games last year. 15 of those losses were too teams below 500. They lose Amare Stoudemire after the All-Star break. Thery will secure a decent first round pick and pick up a serviceable free-agent or two. stop talking about age. Nash shot 50 from the field 40 from three and 90 from the free-throw line for the third straight year. he is the best conditioned athlete in the league alongside Kobe, Lebron and Chris Paul. find me a player who sprints up and down the floor more than Nash. he is not old because of his age. only non athletic guys who are out of shape and feel like crap think its about age.
frank B Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 12:09 pm
If it’s not about age, why aren’t you still playing Eddie?
I’m 50 years old and have a desk job but I’m certainly not a non-athletic guy and I can still play ball. For about 10 minutes and then my back goes out!
Granted, Nash is a special player but very few players play well at 35. John Stockton and Kareem come to mind, but not too many others. Maybe there are others that I’m missing.
Anyway, you should stick up for your team and of course you should think about them in the most positive light possible. Nash’s statistics are impressive.
I’m just disapointed that the Suns went from run and fun, to slow and done.
Kenan Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 1:17 pm
I think Eddie makes some very good points. You guys act as if what he is saying is total bs. Of course experience is a huge factor. The Lakers didn’t miss a billion free throws, chuck a three when they are only down one possession with 30 seconds left (fade away three by Turkoglu) When you consider only one of the factors (of course you can say its an accident) Howard isn’t a great free throw shooter, and it isn’t that strange for him to miss two free throws at the end of the game. It is strange for Turkoglu to miss so many however, as well as taking a fade away three with plenty of time on the clock.
There are a lot of plays that need to be analyzed here. Eddie makes some very good points. Next time you guys reply actually believe in what you are saying. I think everybody here just wants to argue to get Eddie to reply.
RATM Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 1:18 pm
¡Grandioso Pau!Callando bocas y jugando un muy buen baloncesto.
eddie Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 2:12 pm
frank B Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 12:09 pm
If it’s not about age, why aren’t you still playing Eddie?
I’m 50 years old and have a desk job but I’m certainly not a non-athletic guy and I can still play ball. For about 10 minutes and then my back goes out!
Granted, Nash is a special player but very few players play well at 35. John Stockton and Kareem come to mind, but not too many others. Maybe there are others that I’m missing.
Anyway, you should stick up for your team and of course you should think about them in the most positive light possible. Nash’s statistics are impressive.
I’m just disapointed that the Suns went from run and fun, to slow and done.
Excuse me but i played to age of 40 years old and had offers to continue to play. the training methods used today are so far advanced then yester year. Look at Shaq for example and Grant Hill they played the most games they have played in years. Steve Nash is young for his age.
They went back to their system after Gentry came back and i beleive with a full year and a few added pieces they will win 55 games this year. Thats if the same players come back which might not happen
Marlon Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 3:06 pm
Eddie…you still haven’t explained how Phoenix is going to beat the Lakers in a 7 game series. As a Laker fan, these are the teams I’m afraid of out in the West and let me know if you agree or disagree:
1. Portland. They have our number up in Portland. Athletic enough to kick our butts and “young” enough ( old in this article is a sensitive topic to some people ) to run us out of the building.
2. Houston. Enough said.
3. Denver. If they control their emotions, they could give us a run for our money.
4. San Antonio. You never know with Timmy and a healthy Manu.
Come on Eddie. Everyone says defense wins championships. I think the Lakers showed “enough” not a lot, but just enough to win the whole enchalada. Does Phoenix even play defense with their run and gun system. I’ll give them credit for playing a style that is really fun to watch and takes us back to the 80s Lakers but even then the 80s Lakers played defense too. Nash can’t guard anyone. Richardson is all about shots though he tries on D. Barnes is a nice player to have for energy and hustle, I’ll give him that. Shaq is….well, he isn’t Shaq the diesel no more. What i’m trying to say is no defense, no rings. Where did the suns rank on defense last season?
eddie Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 3:18 pm
Marlon
the Suns will not have too.
CJ Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 4:16 pm
Eddie I want to like you but I was doing my research and you wrote this in 2005 in regard to Larry brown coaching the Knicks.
” This one is for my homeboy Zeke, who I consider one of the best general managers in the league. He will soon prove it. Lock your doors – especially after bad losses. Brown will want to trade someone that night. He is not averse to trading anyone at any given time and will chase Thomas home to convince him to do it.”
Please take back saying “Zeke, who I consider one of the best general managers in the league. or I can never ever respect any article you write.
Zeke is a horrible G.M. and Coach!
Ray Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 5:37 pm
I honestly did NOT even bother to read this article. The title alone stating “The Magic Had More Talent” turned me off immediately. I think it’s absurd to say the Magic had more talent. Break down each player individually and that would be very clear. I mean…you can even argue the Lakers third best player (Lamar Odom) is more talented than the Magic’s second best player Turkoglu or Lewis. Not to mention, their all-star point guard (Jameer Nelson) was probably playing at about 50%
vegasvic Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 7:08 pm
damn eddie!!! it seems like everyone ripped u on this one. i think hands down you’re waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off on this one.
Ahmad Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 9:34 pm
Kobe must be in the conversation for the best player of all-time. His 4 titles are a sign of the best!
check out this link:
http://www.KobeorJordan.com
eddie Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 10:20 pm
vegasvic Said,
June 18, 2009 @ 7:08 pm
damn eddie!!! it seems like everyone ripped u on this one. i think hands down you’re waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off on this one.
—– are you kidding me. The Magic are a more talented group 1-12 and you can take it to the bank. read the article again. responses from Laker fans are obvious. if you think someone can change my thinking you should play the lottery because you would have better odds. lol
john marshall Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 12:27 am
Why do rings equal greatness to people. If you are a true fan of the game you realize some people are great in bad situations or the opposite do great because the situation.
Gavin Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 4:07 am
Hahahahah!
Edddie is a funny dude! He was merely starting an argument and everyone bit hard!!!
Eddie, next time just say; “How many of y’all played in the league??
richmond Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 4:33 am
eddie,
I’m on your side on this one. Guess everybody is out trying to slice you. All I can say is that Lakers were the favorite because of their experience. You are very right. Nothing beats that. Just like often that not, you will always do better on a 2nd, 3rd, 4th Job interviews. Experience counts! These Lakers deserved the title, but how much? Jameer and Garnett were injured, then Yao Ming. Basketball Gods were on the Lakers and their outs were high. I’m a #1 Shaq fan and I was a Laker fan before. My point is, let’s give Lakers what’s due them, just like Eddie did, but treat them fair. Just like Eddie did.
Jason Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 4:45 am
I love how the article says “put this team on his back and carried them in the playoffs” when he’s already got the most talented team in the league. I predicted this series Lakers in five which was exactly what it turned out to be simply because the Magic needed a healthy and at full strength Jameer Nelson in order to win. Without him to breakdown the defense and also score, Dwight Howard lacks any real postmoves to require constant doubles and Ariza and Odom match up very well against Lewis and Turk. There is no other team in the league that is as talented or as versitile as the Lakers. Kobe has the best bench, coach, sixth man, frontcourt, ref advantage, you name it they got it, but still for some reason it was Kobe, who shot 43% for the series who did all the work? Nonsense. Pure and utter nonsense. The fact remains that this team SHOULD have won a championship and did. How much Kobe had to do with it was far less impactful than people are making it. Put a Dwayne Wade, a Lebron, a Pierce, or even a Brandon Roy in place of Kobe on this team. I promise you, the wheels would turn just as smoothly.
Carlos MGM Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 7:45 am
Jason Said: How much Kobe had to do with it was far less impactful than people are making it. Put a Dwayne Wade, a Lebron, a Pierce, or even a Brandon Roy in place of Kobe on this team. I promise you, the wheels would turn just as smoothly.
Are you kiding me Jason???? Roy its a Killer but hes like Dirk plays in spurs of fire. just as he can be on he get on off and does nothing. if Roy where in LA the best guy on LA would be Pau. Pierce it´s nice but never better than Kobe. i think you smoke something to put those 2 in these conversation. Great Players yes don´t get me wrong . but not in Kobe´s league.
With LJ and D-wade, thats something worthy of an argument. in that case i gave advantage to D-Wade as i think LeBron still makes poor decitions in the clutch and Wade has and NBA ring and a Finals Mvp. By the way people say that Lebron deserved the MVP over Kobe because Kobe has the better team??? im a laker fan but i think it was outrageous that D-Wade wasn´t even in the conversation. he had the worst team and takethem to the playoff. wiithout him Miami will be picking first in the draft this year.
So dont get the merit off kobe. beeng a leader is more than shooting 50% it´s about making your teammates better players, and kobe did it the past 2 seasons. and check it out has won 2 mvp´s (1 regular season´s and 1 final´s) maked to 2 finals and won 1. that´s greatness to me. and Kobe even though Lebron it´s more talented and young still is the best player in the NBA and Lebron isn´t gonna be it till he wins da ring. you cannot be the king if you dont get the crown
David from germany Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 8:27 am
@stephan from germany:
No, I don’t think we know each other since I’m from Berlin.
But, I was thinking indeed that coaching maybe would be a great way to stay in touch with this great sport. But my motivation to play and win is still just to big. The world is small again, when two German guys meet at this kind of a blog. 
And by the way, your definitely wrong on Gasol. Even after these playoffs he doesn’t get enough credit for what he has done for the Lakers. And about the success, first anyone who has a bit potential can get better, right? Otherwise Jordan and Kobe both had seasons where they have one only about 30 games. It is not only about the talent or quality of one player. You have to consider the circumstances as well as the whole package.
@eddie:
I don’t know if it’s just that I read these comments again and again or if I’m just tired. But I think you have all the rights in the world to root or predict good stuff for the teams you like. I’m pretty sure, there are some fans in Oklahoma City out there who predict with a good pick, a quality free agent here and there they’ll have good chances to reach the finals next year. I just didn’t thought it would be this hard to get kind of a compromise agreement with you, since I thought my arguments were so obvious (seems only for me or “Laker Lovers” ;-)). You can’t change people. I agree with you on that.
Ok, then let me predict the next season for the Lakers and the three or four competitors for the championship (and Phoenix isn’t even close).
without a doubt. I think Hedo is willing to leave if the right deal comes along (maybe from Detroit), he is gone. Orlando needs a real PF anyway so if they could arrange a sign and trade deal with the Pistons and maybe Rasheed that would be awesome for them too. Imagine the size of a lineup with Howard, Wallace and Lewis/Hedo. That would matchup pretty good with the Lakers (Bynum, Gasol, Odom/Ariza) Hedo was the heart and soul of the magic the last two years, but I think Nelson and Howard need more responsibility to grow and be leaders and that will only happen if Hedo or Lewis gets traded.
Lakers: If they can retain both Odom and Ariza and Jackson they’re nearly a lock to win the west again and maybe all. Of course injuries can hurt them as anybody but let’s say the teams stay healthy. The Lakers in that case will only get better and will run their offense even more smoothly. If they only retain one of them, it will be a lot harder for them to repeat. It shouldn’t be difficult to get a quality free agent for them since they had this success and a great place to live. If they’d lose both they would only be contenders, no favorites anymore. Maybe Kobe opts out and resigns for less money for the good of the team to stay intact. Ok, this is much to ask for, but that could enable Buss to retain both.
Denver: I hope they can keep the core together and add a piece or two too. Billups has another 2-3 years left and that should be enough to put the right pieces together to attack the championship. They need another body in the post who can score and defend and good backups for Billups and Smith (if he gets the starting nod).
Houston: Everything is possible with them if they can get rid of T-Mac and add at least one quality piece for him. They proofed that they can compete with everyone. What they need is indeed what T-Mac was all about. Scoring. They have enough good defender but lack a quality backup for Yao and Brooks.
San Antonio: You never can count out a team which has Tim Duncan on it. Let’s see if they keep its core together. If they are healthy then you have a whole other team, then what we saw in these playoffs. They have a great coach, a great sense for drafting and play basketball just the right way.
Portland: They could be huge, cause they have all they need to scare anyone (not only the Lakers ;-)) Hopefully Oden can stay healthy and in the game (foul trouble) and then Roy has good chances to lead them deep into the playoffs.
Cleveland: I hope they don’t try the Shaq thing, because he will be another year older and won’t get any better and will only slow down the cavs offense. I don’t even think he could have the same averages again next season. Rasheed sounds a lot better to me, since he is younger (not much) better moving and has a defensive mindset if he is happy and I’m sure he would be playing alongside James. They’re always dangerous because of James, but they need a low post scorer and defender who is quick and athletic. What about moving James to SG and get a player like Marion or Stojakovic?
Boston: It really depends how well the bodies of the big three can stay healthy. If they can and maybe add another good player via free agency, it should be a finals rematch of 2008. If they trade Rondo and/or Allen (as the rumor has it) then they only will compete for the East Finals. Of course they would still be good but breaking up the core isn’t the right answer when your star players windows are closing this fast.
Orlando: They will get only better or should I say more experienced
I could go on and on but… okay, my prediction for the Suns:
I really liked the Suns when Barkley was still playing or before Shaq arrived. But now they should start over, give Nash his wish to play for the Raptors or the Knicks. Trade Amare, for being unable to get to know his role on the team and not being able to defend his own shadow. Trade Shaq to anybody who’ll take him cause he only hurts the development of the younger players and won’t get the suns a ring as promised. And what you should get in return (young players with potential and draft picks) should enable the franchise to rebuild faster as anybody may think and compete for a title again within the next 3-5 years. I don’t think Nash, Amare and Shaq even want to be in Phoenix any longer, if I don’t misinterpret what I’m reading between the lines when they talk. I just don’t see the Suns turning this ship around with these players on board. If they don’t start rebuilding I predict that they will at the trading deadline.
I’m a bit afraid but still interested on your opinion on that.
Have a nice day!
kingsblade Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 12:05 pm
David from Germany said:
“I could go on and on but…”
Please don’t.
eddie Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 1:15 pm
kingsblade
Very Funny!
David
You wrote that so well, i will not even dispute you. i honestly don’t know what the Suns will do, but i hope some how some way they stay together for one more year.
Marlon Said,
June 19, 2009 @ 2:04 pm
Eddie…can you go on the record and say that the PHOENIX SUNS will have a better record than the Los Angeles Lakers for the 2009-2010 NBA season? While we’re at it, also go on the record and say that an NBA team doesn’t have to play defense to win an NBA title, referring to your Phoenix Suns of course.
Stephan Said,
June 20, 2009 @ 7:40 am
@David: Way to go, really like what you wrote.
I think the Rockets should get rid of Yao as well. He cannot stay healthy and being honest, they did a good run this season without him and even won that long stretch last season. So - why yao?
Are rumors still that Shaq might be traded to the cavs? Would be interesting, Wallace and Joe Smith in return. Wallace retires and Smith could be bought out, which would give the cavs a good salary plus. But I don’t think this would enable them 2010?2011? to gamble for Lebron, who could be a perfect fit for Nash.
Anyway, will be a very interesting offseason.
And boy, some people here really have issues. Internet Tough guys I guess, gettin’ hammered at home by their kids/wife/dog/neighbours/alcohol/ inability to go outside and live.
Edwin Gueco Said,
June 20, 2009 @ 10:43 am
Eddie, Eddie, you retired without any ring and now engaged in analysis paralysis of what-if scenarios. Well, if you are familiar with an accounting balance sheet, you have to go on debit-credit, what you paint with Orlando on what-if scenarios, you should do the same with the Lakers lost one game. What if kobe did this or PJ did that, then it could have been a sweep. Forget those what-if scenarios and repentance comes out at the last. The Champion is the most talented team, that’s why they ended up as champion. You guys, as analysts loved likeBarkley go on second guessing, performing the job of a Monday Quarterback on the events. Live with it, deal with it, Lakers are on tops and worthy of respect not ridicule from East Coast mentality writers are forever losers.
shane Said,
June 20, 2009 @ 11:47 am
This year’s Laker squad was the most talented roster (from 1 to 12) in the last 10 years of this league. They should have trounced the Magic and would have almost certainly beat a healthy Celtics squad as well as the Cavs if they had gotten past Orlando.
Rashard Lewis is a spot-up jump shooter. Force the guy to put it on the floor or work in the post and he becomes a very inefficient player. Dwight Howard has an offensive skill set that makes Shaq look like Olajuwon by comparison! Okay maybe he’s not that unskilled but let’s be honest, Howard only looked dominant in the ECF because he played against Cleveland’s collection of the weakest, unathletic and least talented big men in the entire league
True the Magic could have easily won games 3 & 4 but “what ifs” don’t count and in a 7 game series the better team wins 99% of the time. This series was not one of the 1%….
mb Said,
June 20, 2009 @ 2:59 pm
Hey Eddie! Even though I don’t agree on most of your points, I have to give you credit for at least being objective in this article.
More power to you!
..and more love for the Lakers!
Go Lakers!
This is our year.
Back to back without Shaq!
chad Said,
June 20, 2009 @ 8:20 pm
please…….more talented? and the jazz were more talented than the bulls all those years…….and the suns too………..and the lakers……..
coolstar Said,
June 21, 2009 @ 2:33 am
Wow, only a blind man could have listened to that series and still think the Magic have more talent that the lakers. Of course, that would be the same blind man who picked the Magic to beat the Lakers in 6. Eddie, you’re apparently a nice guy, but like so many ex-players, you think playing somehow increased your brain size instead of just the size of your wallet. You just don’t know much about the game and you’re apparently not capable of learning at your age. SAD, but demonstrably true. I said the Lakers would win in 6, max, and might sweep. Not so bad now that the smoke has cleared.
Final point about Dwight Howard: he’s basically a shorter David Robinson without even the BAD jump shot that the Admiral had. Robinson was 2 inches taller, just as good an athlete, and considerably quicker getting to the basket. Not to mention that Robinson could insta-dunk in traffic down low, which Howard has just proved that he CANNOT do. Much as I like Howard, he’s maxed out his potential unless he develops at least one go-to move in the post. People often forget it’s not how OLD a player is, it’s how LONG he’s been in the league. That’s 5 years for Howard now and very, VERY few big men actually get better after this point.
The Champ Said,
June 21, 2009 @ 7:59 pm
I don’t understand how the team that has 4 of the 6 best players in the series could be deemed as having LESS talent:
1) Kobe
2) Pau
3) Howard
4) Lewis
5) Odom
6) Ariza
And for anyone who thinks Turkoglu is better than Ariza and Odom…if you watched the series you know that just isn’t true.
Earl Said,
June 22, 2009 @ 12:53 am
I believe that once they the Phoenix Suns find stability and if they can keep a large core of their talent they will be dangerous but it seem like they are in disarray. They do not know what players they want to keep and they do not know what style they want and also who knows if Steve Nash stays. I believe if they would have kept Mike D they would have given the Lakers a tough time and maybe would have won it all but as things are now. They would be wise to rebuild at some position and keep some of their talent intact and go off of that. That is what the Lakers have done and if they can keep everyone. You have to understand that Ariza is still getting better. Gasol is still learning their system. Shannon Brown will be a huge factor next year and hopefully they can shore up their bench that could not do much in the last two playoff series. The Lakers could actually have a dynasty with a healthy Bynum. I dont think people understand how worn out Kobe’s body had to be at his age and with him not taking much time off. A well rested Bryant would be more dangerous the second time around also he has that monkey off his back which may actually make him more dangerous as he will spend more time getting his team involved at a higher rate than this season which was not bad. If the Lakers stay healthy which is something they have not really been for the last 2 seasons Kobe will not have to play big minutes until the playoffs.
Steve Said,
June 22, 2009 @ 3:01 am
Eddie, I’ve enjoyed reading what you write before.
However I strongly disagree on your opinion that the Magic were more talented than the Lakers.
Bynum, Gasol, Odom are 3 very talented big men. Bynum is bigger than Dwight, is a true center, and can give Dwight problems. Gasol is also a 7 footer and can guard Dwight and has a star name, to prevent Dwight from getting calls that he would get against other centers.
Bynum, Gasol, Odom is more talented than Dwight, Gortat, and Battie.
Ariza is an excellent defender, and I guess would be similar to what Pietrus contributed.
Kobe is more valuable/talented than Turkoglu.
Jameer/Rafer isn’t spectacular especially with Jameer coming off a shoulder injury. I think talentwise Fisher/Farmar/Brown matches that in talent.
baldo Said,
June 22, 2009 @ 3:43 am
eddie will you please stop it, i hate to say this but you dont have any credibility!
Marlon Said,
June 22, 2009 @ 9:23 am
Ummm…I’m still waiting Eddie for you to go on the record and say that the PHOENIX SUNS will beat the ( less talented and undeserving cause of what ifs )Lakers in a 7 game series without playing a lick of defense.
Larry Said,
June 22, 2009 @ 10:43 am
What do you mean Kobe only did something Hakeem did? First off, Gasol was an allstar this year and Gasol actually led the Lakers in win shares this season. He was 3rd in win shares in the playoffs.
Also Duncan in 2003 was much more important than Kobe was this year and in the playoffs. MJ in all of his 6 title runs was more important and even in his 1st title he didn’t even have another allstar. In his last title no one other than him made the allstar team and Pippen was playing on a bad foot and missed half the year and then a bad back in the playoffs.
In fact Shaq’s first title with Kobe, is where Gasol is now.
Anyway, the point I was making was that you said Kobe won carrying a load better than anyone else, which is totally false.
I’m not sure if you are trying to base this on by saying Gasol isn’t a hall of famer or not but let’s remember the Lakers lose to Houston if it was not for Gasol. kobe scored 14 in game 7 and went 4-12. Seems like a hell of a good supporting cast to win a playoff game in a game 7 with your supposedly best player getting only 14 points.
Hell if we are basing things on who is a hall of famer, then Billups should be the best PG ever. Dude won finals mvp before he was even a star and beat a team that had 4 top 30 players ever on it. No one else has beaten a team that had 4 top 30 players
on it before, so I guess we should label Billups a better player than Magic Johnson.
Jordan’s playoffs career average is: 33.4 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 5.7 APG / 2.1 SPG / 0.9 BPG / 49% FG / 28.59 PER (to put in retrospect Kobe has never even put those numbers up in any playoff year and Kobe’s best PER in the playoffs was not as good as MJ’s average)
I understand Kobe is one of the best and probably top 10 right now, but are you saying he is top 5 now?
Because he has no case over these guys: MJ, Kareem, Magic, Wilt, Bird, Russell, Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan.
Each of those guys have not only won as much or more, but they have much better stats and bigger impact. They all have multiple league and/or finals mvp’s.
Shaqobe Paylone Said,
June 24, 2009 @ 2:14 pm
Two of the Lakers’ starters were injured last year and didn’t play in the NBA Finals. Should we put an asterisk next to the Celtics title?
Jeff Said,
June 25, 2009 @ 12:08 am
Eddie, knows he has no credibility when it comes to this article. He may have an “athletic bone in his body” as he puts it, but he definitely is biased when it comes to writing about the Lakers. Just about every broadcaster that spoke about the Lakers this year said that this team was maybe the most talented and deepest team of the salary cap era. Eddie on the other hand feels that the Magic “1 thru 12″ as he puts it, are deeper. So, ok Eddie, whatever… Either you are just trying to get a reaction or you are really blinded by your dislike of the Lakers. Either way, this article really does hurt your credibility.
Michael Bennett Said,
June 25, 2009 @ 7:41 am
FIRST OF ALL - If you criticize Eddie for being wrong in his predictions, you MUST have never predicted anything wrong in your life so far.
SECOND OF ALL - The Cavs are getting Mr. Shaquille O’Neal. Eddie - Article please. And, I’ll give you a prediction: The Cavs will be champs in 2010 (sounds like a sci-fi movie).
Marlon Said,
June 25, 2009 @ 9:27 am
Wow…put Shaq with Lebron and they’re automatically the best team…again. Come on now…Shaq is past his prime even though Eddie would say that age has nothing to do with it because a hem athletic people aren’t affected by age what so ever. Yeah. The diesel can’t even play back to back games. Shaq hasn’t even played one entire season in a loooong time. The only thing the addition does is give them a better shot against Boston ( what the heck are they doing thinking of trading Rondo ) and Orlando. That’s all it does. Don’t crown them champs yet Eddie and NO, they still don’t have more talent than the Lakers even with Shaq.
Jackie Moon Said,
June 25, 2009 @ 12:32 pm
hey, lakers fans, lets not forget that we have another team in LA. granted, we couldnt beat the lakers even if it was 5-on-3 but atleast we have the number one pick. i think its funny Shaq went to Cleveland. i believe mainly because Kobe now has one more title than he does! haha.
http://clipperschat.com/
dont forget us!
frank B Said,
June 26, 2009 @ 12:15 pm
Michael Bennett,
Shaq to Cleveland is probably not a bad move for Cleveland. You didn’t give up much in the way of players and apparently the owner can afford Shaq’s $20 million dollars for 20 minutes a game during the regular season and then hopefully a full-time Shaq for the playoffs.
However, this doesn’t put Cleveland over the top against a healthy Boston, the Lakers, Orlando, or probably even Denver or San Antonio (great pickup in Richard Jefferson). The 2003 Shaq could have possibly been the missing Cleveland piece, but not the 2009 version.
Despite what Eddie thinks age does matter (by the way Eddie I was impressed with your Wikipedia entry that mentions your Greek exploits during your late 30s) and the probability of Shaq playing the bulk of the season and then being able to play at a high level in the playoff is low.
Intuitively, it just seems like having Shaq is going to push Lebron further from the basket, making him even more of a ball handler and jump shooter.
Michael Bennett Said,
June 27, 2009 @ 7:56 am
Shaq is still the third best Center in the league (behind DHoward and Yao - but Yao is out indefinitely, so Shaq’s #2). I don’t care how old he is - when he’s in the game, he’s a threat on both ends of the court. He’ll give the Cavs 25-30 solid mpg.
Frank B - Shaq will create space for LeBron and the rest of Cleveland’s outside jump shooters. Don’t you know how big/good low post men work? Did you watch what Orlando did last year?
The Finals (LAL vs. Orl) and ECFs (Cle vs. Orl) were A LOT closer than the amount of GPs. These three teams and a healthy Boston are the best four teams in the league. Denver and San Antonio aren’t as good as these four team. Hmmm… the best teams are out of the East. Why does that sound familiar?
The addition of Shaq pushes Cleveland into SCARY category. They won 66 games without a true low post presence. Look for them to win over 60 games again. And, remember, this is a team now built for the Playoffs.
Carl from cleveland Said,
June 30, 2009 @ 12:52 am
the lakers did beat a more talented team. The reason the lakers won was because of phil and having the best player in the world on their team. i mean the lakers bench outside of odom was trash. bynum was a bust,fisher is washed up. farmar,sasha,and luke were trash. Kobe carried his team back to the finals,after getting waxed last year. also remember people,gasol is looking really good because he is next to kobe. gasol is the same guy who couldn’t even win one playoff game,before kobe. Props to the lakers for doing their thing. Hopefully shaq is motivated and he can help us bounce back and get to the finals next year.
Michael Bennett Said,
July 3, 2009 @ 5:41 pm
I give up - it’s just not fair.
The Lakers get Artest, too?!?!?!?!
So, your core of the team is Bynum (top 10 C in the league), Gasol (top 10 PF), Odom (if they resign him… one of the most versatile talents in the league - coming off the BENCH!!!), Artest (top 5 defender/all around beast) and Kobe Bryant (2nd best player in the league)????!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
How can this happen? This team is going to win 70+ games if they stay healthy. This is insane. They’re gonna be too good. REPEAT… here it comes.
I hate to say all of this, but man… LeBron, sorry. The Shaq addition was great. But, you need more help. Can the Cavs somehow get Odom????