The Top 25
A new NBA season is upon us and we have no idea who will win the championship. There’s a reason why… We have an abundance of teams that are more than qualified – like the Lakers, Hornets, Spurs, Jazz, Rockets, Mavericks and Suns in the Western Conference. The Eastern Conference might not have as many powerhouses as the West, but there still are plenty of qualified teams. Cleveland, Detroit, Orlando, Philadelphia, Toronto and Atlanta all proved last year they can be tough opposition come playoff time to try to dethrone Boston.
Boston is the favorite until someone beats them and the Lakers are the favorite in the West, especially with Andrew Bynum back in the lineup, but I don’t want to focus on teams this early. I am targeting players and where they rank coming into this season.
Here are my Top 25 players in the league and my reasons for ranking them.
25. Shawn Marion
The most versatile forward in the game. Shawn gives a team a little of everything and a lot of solid defense. Underappreciated for what he brings, he will command a ton of attention at the trade deadline if the Heat can’t reach a contract agreement with him.
24. Manu Ginobli
The guy is a winner and a competitor. Definitely the best foreign player in the league when it comes to effectiveness in clutch situations. Led the Spurs in scoring and carried them in crunch time. The most disliked player in the league on the road due to his playing style… But every team would love to have him.
23. Tracy McGrady
The key for Tracy is to stay healthy. I wonder how committed he is in the weight room. Body has not changed much during his career, which is a negative. Definitely one the best scorers in the league, but on-the-ball defense will be huge for Houston this year. He needs to back off on deferring to the three-point shot. I always felt he is a mid-range shooter and that’s what the Rockets need him to be.
22. Chauncey Billups
He has great leadership abilities, but I think he has to step it up even more. He seemed to get along with ex coach Flip Saunders, but allowed his teammates to step out of line too often last year. I think at times he’s a little too unselfish because he is the best scorer on the team with his ability to get a jump shot or drive to the basket at will. I expect more this year to validate being 21 on my list.
21. Caron Butler
Gilbert Arenas will have to take a back seat to Butler when he gets healthy. He has become the heart and soul of the Wizards. He has an ability to create shots when none seem available and his jumpshot has improved every season. A true warrior who has battled injuries the last few years.
20. Elton Brand
When healthy, he’s one the best power forwards in the game. The Sixers now have one of the best post players and screeners in the game. Brand has a lot to prove this year and eyes will be on him all season long, but he will prevail with consistent offense and sneaky shot blocking ability.
19. Baron Davis
I will not believe Davis leaving Golden State was on his own accord. The Warriors are going to suffer without Davis and the Clippers will be rewarded. He has the most underrated on-the-ball hands in the league defensively. And we all know of his ability to change the opponent’s defense when he has the ball on the perimeter or the post.
18. Shaquille O’Neal
Quite honestly, in my opinion he is still the most dominating presence in the game today. He changes the game when he is on the floor and that makes him still one of the best players in basketball. People tend to talk about his commitment to staying in shape, but look at it this way… How many big men like Shaq have lasted this long? Zero. Give him credit for maintaining what he has with that massive body. Stanley Roberts, Benoit Benjamin, Oliver Miller… No, not great players like Shaq, but they could not stay in shape because of the bodies they had. He will produce some big numbers at times this year with the Suns slowed offense.
17. Carmelo Anthony
A combination of finesse and power. A tremendous offensive rebounder and finisher around the basket. Anthony would be higher if he developed better leadership abilities and trusted his teammates more often on the court. He will definitely wind up in the top twenty in scoring when his career is done, but championships will elude him if he does not continue to improve his overall package.
16. Tony Parker
Please find me someone who can stop him from getting to the basket? You will not find that person. Speed and underrated strength allows Parker to get in the paint and complete shots. Parker is a true winner and is the most dangerous penetrator in league history. His jump shot in the two-man game with Duncan has made him a true force.
15. Paul Pierce
His nickname is The Truth. Well, true it is. He has an uncanny ability to score on anyone off the dribble or in the post. He loves contact and is definitely one of the best go-to clutch players in the league. His leadership qualities really came to light during the championship run. That has elevated Pierce among the greats in Celtic history.
14. Allen Iverson
The toughest player pound for pound in the history of the league. A medical marvel that never runs out of energy. I often wondered if Iverson would last five years in the league, but I understand now why he has endured. He was one of the best quarterbacks in the country when he decided to focus on basketball and now we understand the ignorance to pain when it comes to him. He is downright relentless and a joy to watch.
13. Steve Nash
Every time I see Steve Nash I ask God why couldn’t I have been born 10 years later. Nash is the most unselfish player in the league. He honestly dislikes taking a bunch of shots. His enjoyment comes in the form of an Amare Stoudemire or Shaq dunk or a Raja Bell three-pointer than actually scoring 20 points a night. That’s why he won back to back MVPs and that is why he is still one of the best players in the league. Nash will be counted on to use that stroke more this year because he will play off the ball more than usual. That’s a great move because he is the best shooter in the league.
12. Dirk Nowitzki
He is the best shooting big man in the league, but needs to improve individual leadership on a team in need of it. He also has to stop deferring to the three-pointer and become more assertive around the basket, which he can do with ease. (I apologize to Dirk and all Maverick fans for the oversight. He clearly belongs on the Top 25).
11. Deron Williams
Williams will do something unheard of in Utah if he continues to improve every year. Yes, I will say it… Make people stop thinking about John Stockton. The Jazz are right back at the level Stockton left when it comes to a point guard that leads and produces victories on a consistent basis. Williams is definitely the strongest point guard in the league and equally as smart when it comes to making decisions in a Jerry Sloan offensive system.
10. Dwyane Wade
Would be higher if he could just stay healthy. I mentioned a few years ago that he would not last long in the league if he continued to hit the floor 50 times a game. Wade was fantastic this summer in the Olympics and showed me that he could possibly lead the league in steals. He has really gotten himself into great shape so I expect him to get back on track to becoming the great player we all expected him to be when he led Miami to a title.
9. Chris Bosh
Reminds me of Bill Cartwright, but athletic. I would be terrified to guard him because his body seems to be going in twenty different directions when he attacks, but it works and gets him to the free-throw line consistently. Now with Jermaine O’Neal beside him, he should take off even more. He really needs to develop a go-to move inside and stop trying to incorporate a thousand moves, which I think gets him in trouble at times.
8. Dwight Howard
Can be as good as he wants to. He has the body to maneuver anywhere he wants to on the court and that is huge at this level. His rebounding ability and presence on the court alone warrant Howard this spot. Must improve free-throw shooting if he plans on moving up any further.
7. Amare Stoudemire
The most feared power forward in the game because of the embarrassment factor. He is what I call “dirt strong” and it’s deceiving because of his slender build. His shooting stroke is picture perfect and consistent. Terry Porter’s new offensive system will allow Amare to get more post-up opportunities, thus improving his trips to the charity stripe, where he hovered around 80 percent all year. He should average 25-plus points again this year and improve defensively.
6. Yao Ming
Injuries cost Yao last year, but before he left for the season he was playing like the best center in the league statistically and one must wonder if Houston would have broken the Lakers’ 33-game winning streak if he did not go down at the beginning of it. He is difficult to guard when in top shape. I expect him to have a great year leading the Rockets deep in the playoffs. Ron Artest will keep him from picking up cheap fouls with his great one-on-one defense.
5. Kevin Garnett
Kevin is the here because he finally got a chance to combine his talents and leadership with All-Stars Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. He is the most persistent player I have ever seen. I have never seen Garnett take a night off emotionally. If you have watched Garnett over his career, he is in constant dialogue with himself for 48 minutes and 82 games. That, my friends, is special in itself and now he is a champion.
4. Tim Duncan
This guy is pure professionalism. I would love my son to live with him for a summer. His demeanor and unselfishness with his teammates is pure gold. He could average huge numbers every year, but understands winning championships is more important. No way does Ginobili lead the team in scoring without Duncan allowing him to. Give credit to David Robinson for instilling that in Duncan.
3. Chris Paul
He is here because I personally think he is the best leader right now in the NBA. He has admitted studying Steve Nash and it is obvious when you watch his interaction with his teammates. Paul is a clone of Isiah Thomas and he showed it last year. The best pick-and-roll guard in the league.
2. Kobe Bryant
The closest in talent to Michael Jordan and in a lot of ways better than MJ. Dislike him if you want, but he is the perfect example of preparation when it comes to basketball. He is the smartest player in the league and makes the game look easy.
1. LeBron James
The best physical tools in the history of the game. He has the smarts of Magic Johnson, the brute strength and athleticism of George McGinnis and the speed of Ricky Green rolled into one massive body. I have said this since he has been in the league… If he continues to improve his jump shot, he will become the best ever.
Petro Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
It’s nice that Nash is selfless; it’s nice that Shaq is a beast; it’s nice that Amare is feared; what is not nice is that the Suns will be worse than anytime under D’Antoni.
Petro Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
I am not including the year that Mike D took over.
» The Top 25 Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
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Porky Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Paul Pierce not in the top 10? This guy now has a ring (and more to come) and guided the Celts to the banner despite guarding LeBron and Kobe! He does it all- defense, offence, passing and rebounding. Just a total complete All-Star, unlike someone like Iverson who plays no defense and has not led his team to a banner.
Farah Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Caron Butler is better than Dirk? I like how you left out why he is on the list. Eddie you are just crazy with your Houston Rockets role playing self. I guess controversy sells or or in this case gets attention and my comment.
John Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
RIGHT NOW, Kobe is better than Lebron, I don’t understand your reasoning putting Lebron ahead of Kobe.
Also Lebron GOAT? You MUST be smoking something.
Joseph Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Kobe should be the top player!!!! Eddie you had alot of good picks but not the 1 and 2, you must have went to sleep and recognize you messed up. Lebron is on his way but not at this time.
Nelson Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
You dropped the ball Eddie!!
Kobe should be #1 due to the simple fact he is an all around player with multiple achievements and especially championships won, let me refresh your memory its 3
Lebron = 0 and in your own words you said quote ” If he continues to improve his jump shot, he will become the best ever.” and he is rank #1??
Kobe is there ( no need for improvements, all around player, check the stats) and he is the best since MJ left!
Kos Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
Great read. The only thing that made me scratch my head was “Parker is a true winner and is the most dangerous penetrator in league history.” Yeah he’s a winner, but most dangerous penetrator in league history? C’mon.
@Farah
Butler’s awesome and he’s one the best right now, but I believe Dirk’s a top 25 player too.
Kos Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:17 pm
@Farah
Butler’s awesome and he’s one *of the best right now, but I believe Dirk’s a top 25 player too.
Messed up.
This list can easily change with only half the season. Lot’s of talent in the league. The east is lacking in PG’s right now. Arenas is out. Billups is the only lock on that all-star spot. Derrick Rose might actually be an all-star if all goes well.
bigmurph1985 Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
Kobe Bryant is the best in the game right now, and the rating should not be if player improves a weaknesses (there is no guarantee that the player will e.g. Shaq’s free throw problems, Michael Jordan’s three point shot, etc). Currently he cannot shoot the ball outside the pain on a consistent basis, nor is he an average free throw shooter. If Chris Paul was Lebron’s height he would be completely unguardable and if Lebron was Chris Paul’ height Lebron would not be in the league at all.
Courtney Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
you can never compare anyone to Jordan if they dont shot 50% from the floor…Melo is way too high, T-Mac is better than half the ppl on this list
Good move on leaving Dirk off, I’ve been saying for years he is terrible…please other than shooting 3’s what does Dirk do better than the top other PF’s
BillyBob Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
No Dirk? Are you crazy? So Dirk doesn’t make the first team All NBA last year…so that means he sucks? Basically the voters are saying, “no, we don’t think Dirk is top 5 anymore… but he’s obviously top 10.” (Yes he did make the 2nd team last year.)
Oh, there is a 3rd team too. Guess who made that list last year - Carlos Boozer, Paul Pierce, Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and Manu Ginobili. You put all 3 of them on this ‘top 25′. So, of last year’s “top 15″ players, all of them but Dirk are on your “top 25″ list. And… JOE JOHNSON made it… dude has only one all-star appearance!!! You are such a Dallas hater it’s sick. Put the pipe down and watch the games!!
Damon Moore Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
Kobe Bryant is Flat out the best player in the NBA. Lebron mavbe the guy to watch for yours to come, but Kobe has the best skills of any player that will take the court this your. You cannot discount the work he has put in and the accomplishments he has achieved.
Michael Bennett Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
Eddie! It’s great to have you back.
As for your article, it looks like you did some serious thinking over the summer. And, you came to a very brilliant realization.
Welcome aboard the L-Train.
dirk nowitzki Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
Eddie is an idiot. stop readin his stuff. he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. how do you leave out dirk nowitzki??? i think he’s jsut looking for attention .
smartguy Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 3:57 pm
you are simply crazy not including Dirk in there. I lost whatever respect I had for you man! i think you are very political
Chris Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Dirk ????? Have a draft and see who takes Butler over him. You loose your pic for being retarded. Dirk over Manu, Dirk over Marion, Dirk over Johnson. No way Dirk would go past 15. Flop Manu down to 30th.
Only a Jew would keep the big German off this list. It’s just cwaaazy i tell you.
kikin Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Gasol is better than Marion
Nowitzki is better than Butler
Stojakovic is better than Joe Johnson
Kirilenko or Scola are better than Brand
Mr Johnson, why not more europeans in this list???
P Lewis James Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
You have a very short memory Eddie. Kobe better than MJ! I think not!
There is no phase of the game where Kobe is better than Jordan. With multiple scoring titles and defensive player of the year awards to his credit Jordan never played with a dominant big man like Shaq. You did get one thing right though. Lebron is probably better than Kobe. Lebron may be quick but he is nowhere near as quick as Ricky Green.
Marion Jamal Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Hi Eddie : Thanks for providing a top 25 list but how can you leave these guys off ???!!! :
Tayshuan Prince - defensive glue guy extroadinare, NBA champion, All league defender?? (where would the pistons 6 straight conference runs, and 1 title run be without him?)
Carlos Boozer — a double double machine, superb shooting stroke and the cornerstone of the Jazz frontcourt : Western Conference Finalist
G.I. Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
well thats kinda right but if thats the top 25 then im sure Brandon Roy is number 26 and how do u put Caron Butler in front of T-Mac and Joe Johnson
Larry Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
When I first saw this article I thought ot myself, Kobe has to be the #1 player on this list, and I’m glad I read the entire article 25 to 1, to see how you ranked the players. I understand why you chose LeBron, I watch his act as much as possible, you never know what this guy is going to do next, and for a guy who is 6′9 250 or 260 lbs, it’s simply a freak of nature to see him do the things he does. His unselfish play contibutes greatly to his success and I see why he, at the end of his career will be the best player ever. Some of the other players on your list I’d rank differently, but I respect your judgement.
Ronaldo Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
that is the worst top 25
how can you take Butler,Manu and Marion over Ray Allen and Vince Carter
Patrick Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:53 pm
C’mon man! how can you put shaq in this list and left dirk out?! I know that Shaq is one of the best players of all time, but right now.. I don’t think so..
Dirk is a constant 20+ scorer and grabs nearly 10 rebounds any given night.
When it comes to leadership, I know that he had his problems, but you can’t tell me, that t-mac or melo are a better leaders.. (how often did they get to the second reound? - ooooh, right… never)
Mobiz Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Jon, no way is Kobe better than Lebron! It’s as much about physicality as anything else. Lebron is a monster, look at him standing next Ben Wallace next time you watch him play, he is nearly the same size with the speed of a guard. His passing skills are out of this world, and he can guard any position. In my opinion, in the end the intangibles is what puts him over the top. Lebron is a better leader. People want to play hard under him, and he commands more respect from his teammates. When things get rough on the Lakers they fall apart mentally because Kobe generates animosity. Not so with the Cavs.
Frank aka franXta Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
Hey Eddy,
LeBron is the reigning king of the league. No doubt!
Nevertheless I totally disagree when it comes to Dirk …
You didn`t even mention him. C´mon.
Okay, he´s evidently not cool when it comes to the Playoffs.
Let`s compare him to number 25: Joe Johnson
Carrer JJ: FG 44,2 3p37,7 FT 78,0 R 4,2 A 4,2 ST 1,0 B 0,2 PPG 16,6
Career Dirk FG 47,1 3p37,9 FT 87,0 R 8,6 A 2,7 ST 0,9 B 1,0 PPG 22,4
Dirk`s better in every Category except for assists and steals …
Misinterpretation or playerhation ?
Servuz, Frank#
bruce Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 6:19 pm
When monta ellis is back and healthy, he will be in the top 25…..
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October 28, 2008 @ 6:25 pm
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rav Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 6:25 pm
how on earth is caron butler, shaq, davis, tony longoria and tracy ‘choker’ mcgrady better than manu???
Chris Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
What a joke! Parker and Ming in front of not listed Nowitzki! Never read more bullshit than this. Stop hatin!!
Presley Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
Bryant better than Jordan???!
brandon Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
wow…what a suns homer. you have got to pining for a job in the front office. director of player relations or something. i mean…i’m in dallas but consider myself a pretty unbiased NBA fan and even i have to scoff that you didn’t include a single Maverick. much less a former MVP and even a former co-rookie of the year. come on eddie…you’re better than that.
scuz Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
interesting list…..incomplete but its only opening day, it will be a different list half way and at the end of the season.
eman Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
Definitely agree - Kobe is #1 in the league right now. KG is better than Duncan as far as an all around player. Not a bad list though, glad Dirk isn’t on this list. The guy is a bit overrated, I think Michael Redd is more valuable than him but MR cannot play D.
Shawn Kemp Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
Eddie,
I think you gotta put Dirk in the top 25 maybe not the top15. He isn’t related to Dick Bavetta, Ed Rush or Mike Mathis who fouled you and several of your teammates out of game 7 of the 1993 Western Conference finals for breathing. As coach Mike D said he’s the greatest 7 foot shooter in the world, despite he has no low post game!
Jared Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:43 pm
where is kevin martin on this list??? he aws 6th in the league in scoring last season, remember???
devin2VC Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
well were is vc??? his better then jj or caron….
Quentin Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 7:59 pm
Somebody has a bias opnion but honestly to leave dirk and then have to explain why you didnt makes no sense. I dont know any gm that would not put dirk in the top 25. Very strange
Idrissa Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
dirk is the beast man, what a heck, he’s one of the best player in the nba!!
m Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 8:27 pm
Think about a league wide draft. Who would take Dirk as a first round pick. No-one in their right mind. Sure he has good stats, but he is the biggest choker in the league. You would pick a player like LBJ, kobe, nash, duncan who can carry a team throughout all phases of a game and season. Dirk would come second as a robin to the previous players batman. If the mavs are to have any success this season it will be because of Kidd, not dirk.
Siz33 Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 9:10 pm
Parker being the best penetrator ever has got to be the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever written. And in what way is Kobe better than MJ? I’m so confused by this list that I’m convinced you let your son write it.
Scuz Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Where is Gilbert Arenas…….?
m Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
Gilbert Arenas is on the bench, where he will probably spend most of this season
Scuz Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
and to say that Ginboli is the best foreign player……lol…..if i go down your list Tony Parker is foreign, Ginobli is not better than Toilet Paper. Hes certainly not better than Steven Nash, and what about Yao Ming, ill take Yao over the Flop King any day of the week.
Michael Bennett Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
And so it starts…
fair_guy Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 11:38 pm
no dirk, who gave this guy eddie a job on hoopshype?
this site will lose its credibility if dumbasses like this guy starts writing articles
nba_player Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 11:40 pm
Eddie,
dirk is still the top european player and averages 23 ppg and 9 rpg ,
are u out of your mind????
www.dors767877@walla.com Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
comeon!!!!!!!! ai and howard much better then that
Jax Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 12:22 am
Kobe should be number 1 not Lebron, Lebron at two would be alright, but he could also fall at 3 with Paul going second.
Lebron - the best ever? i don’t think at this point, even if he does improve his jump shot dramatically, that he could take the title of best ever from Michael Jordan. first, Jordan became the best ever not only because of his individual achievements but because of his dominance of the NBA. sure he has great teammates but that is also because he brings out the best in them. but still, Lebron have a lot of playing years left and i ought to see what kind of a player he becomes.
john marshall Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 12:49 am
This is a list of true athletes. I respect the list because I see were you are coming from. All the stat mongers complaining shut up. Kobe is good but he is not a leader. If you watch the game he only worries about getting his. So is attitude changed this year because he is not losing. He still the same chum wanting to be traded. He has done nothing with a great supporting cast. Lebron lead his boys to the finals without one other star. Kobe has never not did anything without a awesome squad but lose. Again I get your list everyone were is so and so shut up make your own list and watch people rip it to shreds
xavier Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 1:50 am
I don’t like dirk’s game and he is overrated and a seven foot baby. Hwever he is better than joe johnson. As for Marion? The man can’t create his own shot without Steve Nash or stephon marbury passing his the ball so why is he even here? And no1 was talking about paul peirce being the a complete player until kevin garnet came into town and changed the paradigm of the team. Very very bad list…
Nic Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 1:54 am
Hey Eddie don’t hate Dirk or the Germans. They did nothing to your ancestors in the past! Most international players are better than some of your got damm list. Eddie you are not an equal blogger or author, there could be more guys who could do better on your job. Better resign because you are such an Idiot, Moron, Asshole.
Jay Jj Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 2:02 am
Last year you said Parker and Ginobili were not stars, but good role players. Now both are in the top 25, both are better than Dirk, and Parker is the most dangerous penetrator in league history?
Wow.
Chris Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 2:05 am
Eddie, I don´t know if your time in Greece was such a horrible experience for you or why it is that you bear such a grudge against international players. But Leaving out Dirk is ridiculous or simply put stupid and disrespectfull. Continue to think you are the most intelligent guy with the most inside knowledge, at least I am not listening anymore!
Ivan Franceschi Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 2:28 am
Eddie,
Pretty darn good list if I may say so myself. Here is my problem with your list regarding Duncan’s ranking, and by the way, I appreciate the kind things you said about him and The Admiral. If it’s true that Duncan defers to his teammates instead of putting up numbers like Kobe and Jordan, then wouldn’t that make him the best overall player? He (along with Shaq) is the most consistent winner of NBA championships since Jordan retired. Duncan still puts up 20 and 10 a night AND still manages to win championships and defer to his teammates. Wouldn’t those overall qualities make him the best overall player? Sure, he doesn’t have the flash or athleticism of Kobe, LeBron or KG, but like you said about Nash and CP3, he makes him teammates better. That is something LeBron does a little bit and Kobe only started doing last year. CP3 is the best in the game right now doing this at the point, but what does he have to show for it? Nothing yet.
So Eddie, if you’re basing your rankings based on athleticism or taking over a game, I can see why you have Kobe, LeBron and Paul above Duncan. But if you’re basing it on everything - skills, dominance, clutch play and making your teammates better - than The Big Fundamental is no doubt No. 1 on this list.
Kane Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 3:21 am
Dirk Nowitizki
Caron Butler
Michael Redd
Shawn Marion
Pau Gasol
Manu Ginnobili
Joe Johnson
Tony Parker
Tracy McGrady
Allen Iverson
Yao Ming
Tim Duncan
Carmello Anthony
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand
Steve Nash
Amare Stoudamire
Deron Williams
Dwayne Wade
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Thats my list and come midseason this will more accurate than yours, EDDIE!!!!
Nic Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 6:50 am
Eddie,
You better do the same what Isaiah Thomas did because you’re such an ASSHOLE! Are you destroying your career? I will never ever read your articles and columns again because you are full of non-sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hassan Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 7:09 am
john marshal…. Out of all these comments i seen … yours was the stupidest… How can you say kobe isnt a leader… The man led his team to the finals…. Dont give me the bullshit where Lebron had a worst team and brought them to the finals…. Remember compare the east versus the west… I wonder which is move competitive … besides the worst team in the wester conference can make the playoffs in the east!!!…
Rick Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 7:11 am
Eddie whaats your Problem man have you Bumped your Head or what???
KOBE HAS 3 RINGS LEBRON HAS 0 END OF STORY HOW U GON PUT KOBE NUMBER 2 …U OUT YOUR MIND MAN U AINT know nuttin man …GET AT ME AND IF U WONT 2 BATTLE ABOUT NBA IM YOUR GUY HOLDIN DOWN IN AUSTRALIA !! NUMBER 1 NBA ANALYST IN AUSTRALIA!!!!
math Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 7:33 am
Eddie is such a Kobe hater !! Just remenber when the guy put 81, Mr Eddie tells us he would have score 28 ppg with the present rules !!HA HA HA ! It’s even surprising he doesn’t put kobe behind CP3, DH12 and other guys. And for Dirk ??? Really a stupid top 25 !!
Eric Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 7:49 am
How can Lebrick be better than Kobe? He can’t shoot, has no post moves, can’t hit free throws and is about as agressive as a rabbit. I won’t mention his non-existent defense. Lebron James is garbage.
Joe Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 8:11 am
John Marshall, i respect what your saying about Kobe, but you can’t say that without acknowledging LeBron is as well. If you watched the game last night you can see just how overrated LeBron is.
elephant Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 8:14 am
Pierce has PROVED he deserves a higher place. Great all-around player.
MrB Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 8:20 am
The top 3 should be
1) Kobe
2) CP3
3) LBJ
Paul is better than James in every way. While Kobe is flat out the best.
Bree Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 8:46 am
Eddie its been a while but lets get it popping.
You are right Bron is number one…cause only Bron stops Bron, last night was evidence his blown free throws cost the Cavs the win but his talent on the court was above everyone incluind Pierce and KG. The Lakers against the Celtics is still a mismatch of heart vs style…also Lakers dont make it out the West as they got too many guys playing for contracts this year…Odom, Bynum even Kobe (opt out on his mind), …
Lastly, mano a mano….Lakers vs Cavs look and see if Kobe even dares step to Bron and look at see whose team looks more hungry and ready. The rest of the list seems debateable though about right, but your “Bosh reminds me of Cartwright” was a crazy comparison….good but one dimentional offensive center vs a beast of a versital 4-5 player with a deadly mid-range jay and solid post up and shot blocking skills..Bosh should sue you for slander.
TheOUTLAW Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 8:52 am
I love how people are using the game last night to say LeBron is overrated. Look at the times that the Cavs played the Lakers last year and you see that LeBron actually dominated Kobe head to head.
eevee Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 9:31 am
lebron better than kobe???, haha, in his dreams. Where are pau gasol and ray allen?. Bad very bad, ¿marion, shaq, billups?
C Fatz Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 9:38 am
Eddie!!!
Tony Parker?
Top 15?
Really??
C’mon.
Put Brandon Roy on the Spurs and see what happens.
I’d even put Monta Ellis there…okay bad example.
but if it doesn’t have to be a guard I’d put Carlos Boozer, David West, even Josh Smith ahead of TP.
CF
C Fatz Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 9:38 am
At least you didn’t go crazy like someone recently and rate Deron Williams above CP3.
David Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 9:41 am
The mere fact that Eddie, a known Spurs hater, even put the 3 in his top 25, should give that a lot of credence.
Yes, it’s nice to have Eddie back — wish I could get a vacation that long!
C Fatz Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 10:01 am
kikin Said,
October 28, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Gasol is better than Marion
Nowitzki is better than Butler
Stojakovic is better than Joe Johnson
Kirilenko or Scola are better than Brand
Mr Johnson, why not more europeans in this list???
Sorry Kikin Gasol v. Marion okay, I’ll grant you a stalemate
Nowitzki better than Butler I absolutely agree.
Stojakovic better than Joe Johnson, Okay so you’re doing stand up now? Stojakovic is a one trick pony and that one trick isn’t as good as it used to be. Stojakovic shoot threes that’s it, he doesn’t rebound, assist, defend, set picks or even lead practice. Stojakovic better than Joe Johnson three words Hah Hah Hah.
I love Andrei K. but his most recent work isn’t in the class of Elton Brand’s
would be nice to have more European’s on the list, but let’s actually earn the spot on the list.
CF
:0)
Ali Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 11:00 am
i think its so funny how everyone thinks that kobe should be before lebron…..now lets elaborate that lebron made it all the way to the confrence finals BY HIMSELF, lets forget that pau got donated to the lakers kobe cant go anywhere by himself hes to selfish and honestly all this PR hes doing kissing his wife and kids before the game im sick of seein it
Javier Bustillo Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 11:04 am
Eddie
Good list to get a conversation going, but biy do I disagree with some of your choices. Chris Bosh ahead of D-Wade??? Ask all the GM’s which player they would rather have and I will bet that at least 29 of the 30 GM’s will take Wade. Ginobili is way too low. The guy is the go-to guy for a team that has won 3 championships. How you rank players like Caron Butler and Baron Davis ahead of him is beyond me.
Fun list though. Keep up the good work! Thanks
Nathan Kavanaugh Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 11:04 am
Kobe is the best player in the NBA. He is ice water in the clutch, he has more credentials, more skills, better defense, and a better shot than LeBron. As far as people saying Kobe isn’t as good as MJ in any aspect of the game… ridiculous. Kobe is just flat out a better ball handler and a better outside shooter. He is an equally good defender.
And WHY IS EVERYONE TALKIG LIKE DIRK ISN’T ON THE LIST??? He is #12. That is actually probably too high, honestly.
Cedric Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 11:45 am
Any List with Saha in the top 25 is suspect at best, Saying Kobe is Better than Mj, which MJ the one with the Wizards? Parker better than Melo in what aspect? paul Pierece 15? this list is trash Here is a real list
1. If want Kobe ok whatever, what has is won without Shaq
2. LBJ- no one betttter at 23
3. Ducan- consistent
4.Pierece- The best player people love to hate
5. Paul- He had 1 great year, lets calm down, KJ had a simillar run
6. Wade- penalized for coming back to early to help his team repeat
7.KG- The new Scottie Pippen
8. Daron williams- as he goes so goes Utha
9. Melo- The best smallforward in the West
10.AI- could still lead the league in scoring, not a fit with Melo
Im out of time
But Amare cant creat his own shot, Yao cant get out the first round, Howard is one dimensional, Nash couldnt defend some highschool point guards
Dany Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
I just like how the guy above me messed up on 80% of the players names.
mack Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
laughing @ putting lebron james #1
Bill Walton Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
Look at Lebron James’ body. It’s unbelieeeevable. It’s like he was sculpted by michelangelo himself. He’s was number 1 in the 03 draft, number 1 now, and number 1 in the genetic lottery. Throw it down, big man! Throw it Doooown!
simmsimma Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Lebron is not the best player in the NBA. In fact, until he discovers himself, I wouldn’t even put him in the top 5.
If we are strictly talking potential, then #1 is fine. But he doesn’t have a 3pt shot, his mid-range is sketchy, and he can’t hit a free throw. Hack a Shaq is going to become Hack a James. Anyone watch the game last night? Garnett and Pierce wrapped up his arms so he couldn’t get the shot off and waited for him to choke at the free throw line. And he did.
The kid has unbelievable talent. He can literally draw a foul whenever he wants because of his ability to attack the basket. Unfortunately, until he fixes his shooting it won’t do him any good. And he doesn’t attack the rim every possession, rather settling for a long jumper far too often. The Celtics played him perfectly in the playoffs. Put 4 guys in front of him and let him shoot every 3 he wants. Until he doesn’t allow himself to be so easily defended, he won’t be the best in the game.
Richard Smith III Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 4:12 pm
I don’t have a problem with this list and I can’t argue it but the order I have a slight issue with. I would rank Ginobili higher than some of the guys on here for nothing else but pure ability to kill the last 2 minutes of a game and he’s a better defender than some of the guys before him.
He has to be in the top 5 2 guards in the league, should have gotten atleaast a co-MVP with Duncan for the 2005 Finals because the last game is the only game that mattered and he was steady and kept them going when Duncan had no one else. He also sliced that Piston’s defense.
I like guys you can depend on late in games and he’s one of the best, he can take you off the dribble consistently, hit the three ball consistently, play defense, hard to anticipate, clutch and excepts whatever role the coach asks of him. You can’t penalize him for injury because like Shaq he is there when it matters and it matters in the playoffs.
I could make a case for some others but this example should atleast give my mindset, if guys play defense and have good offense I rank them higher and having Tony ahead of him at this stage is a bit much only because of the things I’ve said before and they play on the same team and down the strtch Manu was the man not Parker, who I think is a top 5 pg.
J-mart Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
Gasol NOT in the list??
are you serious?
Did you saw the olimpics?? …you probably not.
Being good players, no way Butler or Billups are better than Gasol.
Look at the at the lakers, how they were with butler and haw they was last year…
Jared Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 5:22 pm
I’m a total homer, honestly. Love Dallas. But Dirk is so much better than 12. If we’re talking about on-court ability or sheer talent, he belongs in a close 7th to D-Wade’s 6. Seriously. Other than that… I agree.
MikeP Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Uh-oh, “Kobe better than MJ in a lot of ways”?
Mr Johnson, you definitely need to come with some justification for that statement. I’ve been following the NBA for 20 years now and seen MJ overwhelm the competition so I even daren’t think that way. MJ didn’t require as much help from his team as Kobe does, his skills were more polished than Kobe’s plus I’ve never seen MJ give in, was it a regular season game or an NBA final one. Neither did you see anybody shut down MJ in a game, he always had it his way. Toss in the effect MJ had on his teammates and you’ll realize Kobe’s never going to be that great.
For the ranking itself I’d go for Kevinn Garnett as no 1. He’s a tremendous player, extremely skilled (can do it all), plays passionately and efficiently on BOTH ends on the floor, never has an off-night (if his scoring’s low then he’ll help the team with defensive presence, assissts etc.), proved that he can be a clutch player if need be, helped his team to the championship, so…
Thank you
Top Cat Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
LeBron is a great first three quarters player but not clutch like Kobe. Nash should be top ten, he has the ball in his hands 90% of the time and makes excellent decisions time after time
TheTosser Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
Kobe is the best ever !
cedric_is_dumb Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 8:08 pm
lmao at cedrics post…not one part of ur post was coherent, and the list was even worse…the list is fine, but where is Al Jefferson??
Michael Bennett Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
LeBron is BY FAR the best player in the game. Eddie got it right on with that one (after two years of me prodding).
If anyone disagrees, and gives good argument, I’ll come on here and rebut/school you into how and why.
Thank you very much. God bless you. And, God bless the United States of America… oh, sorry about that last part. I’m watching waaay too much Obama stuff.
scuz Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 9:16 pm
@Michael Bennett
…please school me on kobe’s rings and his clutch performances, what about is experience from playing 13 years in the league
…i forgot, Lebron has no rings, i wouldnt pay him to go to the free throw line, under 70% last…unacceptable for your leagues best player.
Lebron doesnt have stuff to be the best yet…Kobe is a better 3point shooter than Lebron….you cant deny that…stats will say it all.
Overall Lebron’s shot needs some work, his scoring stats are high because he takes so many attempts and plays 40+ minutes agame… he has to play that much becuase if he didnt Cleveland would lose alot more.
rebut me Michael please, ill leave you my shovel, Lebrons bullshit is heavy.
Jason (PHX) Said,
October 29, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
Come on eddie, you and i both know amare is better than yao. Question for you, r u doing the games on fox sports arizona or upn?
michael Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 12:39 am
Worst rankings ever! Shaq and Marion in the top 25?
How can you be called an “expert”
B.A.M. Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 1:32 am
Kikin…… Joe Johnson never even made the list and Scola better than Brand? Ya right. I respect Johnson’s list though.
Brian Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 3:03 am
Get real Eddie!! Shaq does not belong on this list!! he’s one of the best ever, and he’s still a solid player, but Carlos Boozer belongs on this list before shaq. How many GM’s would take Shaq over Boozer RIGHT NOW if given the choice?? that’s what i thought
Erwan Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:06 am
Lebron better than Kobe? are you crazy?.. Look how lebron disapire during the olympics finals…. Everybody talks about how lebron is a leader. he”s not a leader. he”s not make nobody better. kobe does it by his work ethic, its contagious (ariza was a nobody. look how he work hard) put lebron first in your list is stupid because he got a lot of good player in his team but dont know how to lead them, now he try to do this by himself.
Hassan Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 6:39 am
@ Michael Bennett
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??… the only thing lebron has on kobe is his strength and his ability to jump through the roof… its very known kobe has better defence… a better 3 point shot and a better mid range shot… kobe is a better leader. he led his team to the #1 seed in the west last year… and the west last year was really competitive and this year will be too..
Ndudi Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 6:43 am
lol
atparrot Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 7:01 am
Ray Allen, Michael Redd, Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol and Gilbert Arenas should be in the list. Tony Parker better than Baron Davis and Elton Brand?? C’mon!
creez Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 9:40 am
how did u leave joe johnson off of this list…ask the celtics if he should be on this list….point blank u need a rifle and a double team to ock this guy up….way more talented than he is credited for!!! I think america and hawks fans will agree
Samie Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 10:07 am
Actually, the Suns will be in many ways a BETTER and more playoff ready team than under MIke D’Antoni. And I’m a huge D’Antoni fan. But his short bench may have won regular season games they suffered for it come playoff time. 10 players saw action in game one of new season vs. Spurs. And we KNOW they will play better defense under Terry Porter. The talent is still there. How many teams have 2 former league MVP’s, 4 players who have been All-Stars, and a 6th man of year winner on their roster? Did I miss somebody?
wendy Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 10:08 am
i love you !
http://www.b2bman.com
b2bman08@yahoo.com
Theoball Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 11:06 am
Kobe had the diesel on his team when they won their three..lebron has had nothing even close to shaq on his squad and still went to the finals…lebron will be the GOAT
Marco Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 11:32 am
T-Mac 23th is a nonsense
The Bleep Truth Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 12:03 pm
People should stop with the Kobe and Jordan comparisons. Ok.. I agree that Kobe is the best player since Jordan, but I don’t see any area where Kobe is better than Jordan aside from a better three point shot. Jeez. Jordan IS the greatest ever. PERIOD! And Lebron potentially being the best ever…. with a much improved jumpshot???? No way man. Get him to win at least 3 League MVP’s, at least 1 DPOY award, at least 3 NBA Championships, and maybe, just maybe, I might reconsider… And observing Lebron in his games, and considering the style of play in the NBA in recent years, Lebron will always favor slicing to the hole (and always getting superstar calls from the refs). A jump shot as good as Kobe’s will never be Lebron’s.
Hotboi719ATL Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 12:05 pm
Eddie,
I guess you needed to start some type of debate since the season just started but c’mon Lebron J better than Kobe?!? Where!?!
He’s bigger, stronger, younger and has more of an uptick due to his age, I will give you that… But at this point and time right now in their career, this season? NOooo wayyyy. Lebron still has a ways to go to be better than Kobe. How bout playing some better man defense, how bout knowing when to take over a game if he can, how bout shooting the outside J? How about hitting some clutch free throws!!? Leadership ability? Let’s talk about it. Kobe stayed and played within the system and LEAD his team to the Finals last year while winning the MVP. With the improvement Kobe has made with his teammates look for his rebounding and assist numbers to also go up this year…
LJ better than Kobe… Tha’ts ridiculous
Shab Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 12:16 pm
where the hell is carlos boozer??? and joe johnson? these lists are always retarded. i can’t stand the jazz, but boozer is a beast and def. is in the top 25
Possum Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
Regarding #1 / #2.
Last year Kobe was the best all around player. And the year before that too. But this list isn’t about who was best last year, or who has had the best career averages or most rings.
LBJ is getting better every year and this season will be no different.
Kobe is 30 years old now - he won’t put up 81 points again, he wont go on a streak of 40+ ppg anymore. Smartest, maybe. Most respected, probably. Fan favorite, clearly. But I agree with Eddie here.
For the first time, I suspect a maturing and improving LBJ may surpass an aging Kobe (who the last two seasons has been hands down the best in the world) this year in all-around beastliness.
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. ?
Guzzi Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
Without disrespect to you EJ but seriously!!!! 1) Kobe is better than LeBron, just a bit, but clearly better. 2) “How many big men like Shaq have lasted this long…”, then you name Benoit Benjamin, Stanley Roberts, and Oliver Miller. What you meant to say was how many FAT men like Shaq have lasted this long because there have been many big men who played well for a long time, or did you forget about a little skinny guy named Kareem who would have ran cicrles around Shaq at the same age. 3) You’ve got Yao way too high, no way he is better than Piece, Howard, or Iverson. But that’s just your Houston bias.
ALex Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
Eddie,
Cmon man you should know lebron is not the best in the league. Hes amazing, but hes no kobe and when he gets to be 26 and 27 and unable to jump like he used to he will regret not learning how to shoot
Brian Scalabrini Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 2:04 pm
Where’s Brian Scalabrini!!! This is nonsense.
Suuso Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Who the fuck thinks Melo is better than T-Mac?? Put Melo in last year’s Rocket-team and think wif they can still win 22 in a row.
P Lewis James Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Kikin wants to know why not more Europeans on the list. Answer they are soft as butter at room temperature! The NBA game, especially for big men are not for finesse players.
Mike Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
Good list. Switch Kobe to #1 and it’s more accurate. LeBron may well end up being better; but right now it’s Kobe’s game.
frank Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
eddie
i don’t understand how you can rank yao in your top ten, and especially over d-wade when your argument against wade can be made against yao. d-wade is still the best sg not named kobe and hands down the best combo guard in the league. in my himble opinion, he’s number 4 behind lebron, kobe and cp3. and he should get more love considering that he’s the only finals mvp in your top ten other than tim duncan.
frank Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 3:39 pm
and why does everyone keep mentioning vince carter. he’s a hack. a one trick pony. he had all the talent in the world and couldn’t translate it into anything worth while on the court. he chokes in the playoffs and he’s the most over paid player in the league. glad you kept him off the list eddie.
frank Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
and you’ll hear it from me first.
LEBRON WILL PROVE ALL THE PUNDITS WRONG BY LEADING THE CAVS TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE THIS YEAR. AND THE GOAT COMPARISONS WILL BEGIN.
Michael Bennett Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
frank - I agree with the championship for LeBron this year. I think it will be against the Lakers, too. Or, the Spurs… and he will redeem himself from the ‘07 Finals.
LeBron is the most complete package in the NBA. He’s my favorite player. But, I think he’ll be a hair under MJ when it’s all said and done.
Let’s not forget what MJ did in his career - stats AND Playoffs. He’s the best ever.
I also think DWade is just as good if not better than Kobe. Look at Shaq’s last year with the Lakers. They lost in the Finals with Payton, Malone, Kobe and Shaq. Then, Shaq goes to Miami, and Miami WINS with DWade, Shaq, Haslem, Payton… and DWade is Finals MVP. How many Finals MVPs does Kobe have? Hmm…
If DWade was healthy and at 75 games or more every year, he’d be in that conversation everyday. Unfortunately, he always had about 10-20 lbs. too much weight on him, which leads to injuries… especially if you’re throwing yourself around like he does. Now that he’s slim(mer), and healthier, I think he’ll show what he can do night in and night out. He was the best scorer on the Olympic team… and steals leader.
TOP 5
5. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
3. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
1. LeBron James
Bryan Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
Lebron is not nummber 1 for the fact that he cant hit FT in the clutch
van Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
No way Lebron is better than Kobe. He can’t shoot like Kobe, play d like Kobe, and he is not clutch like Kobe. We have to judge players on the now and not what they can be if they get this or if they can develop that. Right now without question Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league
eddie Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:34 pm
Joe Johnson should be on my list—he is 26th and i love his skills and attitude. i consider him like a son to me. no doubt.
eddie Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:44 pm
Its so funny how being labled 1 and 2 is such a problem for some of you guys. did you read what i said about each one? i gave the highest praise.
this list is not based on last year, its what i think will happen this year.
i have been Lebrons biggest critic on this blog and was accused of being a Kobe lover, now i am a Lebron lover.
some of you guys need to read my past blogs and please read what i said about both players. highest praise—–and yet some of you still complain.
i guess thats what you guys like to do if its not in support of your team or player.
My opinion stands——Lebron is 1 and Kobe is 2 and i love both of them. APPLES AND ORANGES.
wait to you read my next article on the bottom 25
frank Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
please say VC is in your bottom 25
van Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
john marshall,
watch a game Lebron got swept by a team that was not better than the boston team Kobe lost to..what did gasol do before he got with Kobe..exactly he didnt do anything..if Lebron could shoot or play defense like Kobe be cant so how in hell is better
van Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 4:58 pm
Ali,
Lets also mention he did it against the water down East and got swept against pay attention
van Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
Nathan,
Good observation i was thinking the same thing..not only is he on the list he is way to damn high he is 7 foot jump shooter with no d and is as soft as cupcakes he is nowhere near the 12th best player in the league
van Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 5:09 pm
Michael bennett,
Please come with how in the hell a guy who cant shhot, cant defend, or shoot free throws is th best player in the game…kobe is better thasn lebron as a player lebron may win the most talent or potentioal #1 but best player its all kobe bro
barlo Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 5:12 pm
how is shawn marion better than vince carter, id like to see shawn marion carry a team to playoffs
Ron Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
Man Kobe should be number one! Three rings, MVP, scoring champ and most importantly defense that lebron wishes he could play…seriously man, i lost a lot of respect for you.
Croc Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
This kind of list is always meaningless.
Pierce is way overrated. He’s only here because he has a ring resulting from playing with one of the msot dominant PF in the history of NBA. When he was leading Boston by himself, much like Iverson and Carter are doing right now, he did absolutely nothing. A ring doesn’t make you a better player. Kobe and Lebron are the best right now.
Marion and Butler should not even be on this list.
Guys who’re second options in a team don’t deserve to be on this list.
I say fuck this ranking.
wendy Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
LEBRON WILL PROVE ALL THE PUNDITS WRONG BY LEADING THE CAVS
http://www.b2bman.com
n2nman08@hotmail.com
EJ FAN and Suns homer Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
Eddie! how could you? you shouldn’t ever have put dirk in just to please these people. Dirk is overrated!!!! How many times have me and you seen him play against the suns with a chance to win it at the last second pump fake and induce the defender to jump, avoid contact, and try to make a shot instead drawing the foul charles barkley style. Hes trbl trbl trbl
Suede Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
How the Heck is Dwight Howard #8?
gmoney Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
wtf where is vince carter????and Dirk??? behind shawn marion and shaq, your kidding right?
Suede Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 8:45 pm
The simple fact that Micheal Bennett is creating a list where Dwayne Wade is Ahead of Kobe Bryant is funny. Just simply Funny. In my opinion Kobe Bryant is the most well rounded player in the League. Bar none. Probably the smartest. Next has to be CP3…Lebron is afterwards just on potential and pure beastiness alone but all it is now for Lebron is how hungry he is. He has to want to be a Lock down defender he has to want to practice hitting clutch free throws and shots. That aspect of the game is all about desire and withstanding mental fatigue. I haven’t seen it yet. Plus Kobe scored 81pts. Yeah he loss to the Celtics in the Finals whatever, it happens been there 5 times already. I just dont understand How Dwight Howard is this potential or Hype.. Because he has no Post Moves what so ever..
James Katt Said,
October 30, 2008 @ 9:18 pm
Lebron James has not achieved what Michael or Kobe have achieved.
As such, he is not even in their league.
He has no rings, baby. He can’t shoot. He can’t do free throws.
He has the #1 body for a small forward.
But Shaq has the #1 body for the center position. And Shaq has 4 rings, baby.
Lebron only has potential.
I see him getting more injured as the years go by.
His window of opportunity is in the next few years, not when he is 28. By then, he will be close to retirement.
Mark my words.
Lebron may look good now. But he isn’t a long-term player like Kobe. Lebron already misses games due to injuries.
Craig Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 1:54 am
I HAVE A FEW PROBLEMS WITH THIS LIST. 1ST OFF KOBE SHOULD EASILY BE #1. U SAID BRON BRON HAS TO IMPROVE HIS JUMPSHOT. I ASK U WAT DOES KOBE HAVE TO IMPROVE??? I NEVER SEEN LEBRON TAKE ANYONE TO THE BOX AND GO TO WORK. LEBRON JUS USES HIS FREAKISH SIZE & SPEED TO DRIVE TO THE HOLE AND DUNK. KOBE’S GAME IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT. AND LEBRON’S FREE THROWS… HORRIBLE….
2ND. D WADE SHOULD BE WAY HIGHER. I HONESTLY THINK HE IS BETTER THAN LEBRON. LEBRON IS MORE DOMINANT B CUZ OF HIS SIZE BUT D WADE’ S GAME IS MUCH MORE COMPLETE. AND DIRK SHOULD BE ON HERE. KICK SHAQ’S WASHED UP ASS OFF. LOL.
MY TOP 10 LIST
1. KOBE
2. D WADE
3. LEBRON
4. KG
5. CP3
6.TIM DUNCAN
7. MELO
8. PAUL PIERCE
9. A.I.
10. T-MAC
11.DWIGHT HOWARD
12. GILBERT ARENAS
13. DERON WILLIAMS
14.STEVE NASH
15. TONY PARKER
16. AMARE
17. DIRK
18. YAO
19. GINOBLI
20. B. DIDDY
17.
scuz Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 3:20 am
@ Michael Bennett
You said you were goona school me….ummmm…i think not.
It’s 1 thing to think Lebron is better than Kobe, but your on this D-Wade is better than Kobe kick…man, get a life. An opinion is fine, but your the only 1 on earth who probably thinks this. Having a finals MVP doesnt mean shit, its all about the amount of rings…and if i remember correctly Kobe has more rings than Lebron and D-Wade combined.
You throw alot of if’s out there, should coulda woulda….it doesnt mean anything….and when the season is over, the lakers will win it all. the Cavs dont have the players to take it.
Erwan Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 4:25 am
3-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002[2][3][4]
1-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008[5][6]
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007[7]
10-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008[1]
Has started in each of his appearances
10 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lock-out)[1][8]
2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007[9][10]
10-time All-NBA selection:
First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008[11][12]
Second team: 2000, 2001[11][12]
Third team: 1999, 2005[11][12]
8-time All-Defensive selection:
First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008[13][14]
Second team: 2001, 2002[13][14]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
Second team: 1997[15][16]
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997[17]
NBA regular season leader:
points: 2003 (2,461), 2006 (2,832, 7th in NBA history[18]), 2007 (2,430), 2008 (2,323)[1]
points per game: 2006 (35.4, 8th in NBA history[19]), 2007 (31.6)[1]
field goals attempted: 2006 (2,173), 2007 (1,757), 2008 (1,690)[1]
field goals made: 2003 (868), 2006 (978), 2007 (813)[1]
free throws attempted: 2007 (768)[1]
free throws made: 2006 (696), 2007 (667)[1]
2nd most points in a game: 81 (January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors)[20][21]
[edit] NBA records
Kobe Bryant shares two NBA records:
Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[22]
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 other players).[22][23]
Youngest player to score 15,000 points: (27 years, 136 days)
Youngest player to score 20,000 points: (29 years, 122 days)[24]
surpassing Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record.[24]
Bryant also became one of the only three players to reach the milestone under the age of 30. The other two are Chamberlain (29 years, 134 days)[24] and Michael Jordan (29 years, 326 days).[25]
Youngest Slam Dunk champion: (18 years, 175 days), after winning the contest at the 1997 NBA All-Star Weekend.
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999–00)[26]
Youngest player to start a game: (18 years, 158 days)[27]
[edit] Records previously held
Youngest player to score 10,000 points: (24 years, 193 days)[27][28]
surpassed by LeBron James (23 years, 59 days) on February 27, 2008.[29]
[edit] Los Angeles Lakers franchise records
Kobe Bryant holds or shares 30 Lakers franchise records:
Points
Season: 2,832 (2005–06)[1]
Game: 81 (January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[20][21]
Half: 55 (2nd half, January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors).[20]
Quarter: 30 (twice, most recently on November 30, 2006 in 3rd quarter vs. Utah Jazz)[20]
Games scoring 50 points or more, career: 23[26]
Games scoring 50 points or more, season: 10 (2006–07)[26]
Games scoring 40 points or more, career: 92[30]
Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005–06)[31]
Consecutive games of 50 points or more: 4 (March 16–March 23, 2007)[32]
Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6–February 23, 2003)[33][26]
tied with Michael Jordan (1986–87) and surpassed by Wilt Chamberlain (14 consecutive games twice in 1961–62 and 10 consecutive games in 1962–63)[33]
Field goals made
Half: 18 (2nd half, January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors).[34]
Quarter: 11 (February 2, 1999 vs. Seattle SuperSonics).[35]
Free throws made
Game: 23 (twice, most recently on January 31, 2006 vs. New York Knicks).[36]
Game, playoffs: 21 (May 4, 2008 vs. Utah Jazz).[37]
Half: 16 (January 30, 2001 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers)[38]
Quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks)[39]
Quarter, playoffs: 11 (tied with 3 players; May 8, 1997 vs. Utah Jazz).[40]
Consecutive: 62 (January 11–January 22, 2006).[20]
Three-point field goals made and attempted
Career: 1,086 (1996–present)[27]
Career, playoffs: 177 (1996–present)[41]
Game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics).[42]
Half: 8 (1st half, March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards).[43]
Consecutive: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics).[42]
Career attempts: 3,192 (1996–present)[27]
Career attempts, playoffs: 410 (1996–present)[44]
Season attempts: 518 (2005–06)[27]
Game attempts: 18 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics).[42]
Steals
Half: 6 (tied with 3 players; February 13, 2006 vs. Utah Jazz).[45]
Quarter, playoffs: 3 (tied with 6 players; May 17, 1999 vs. San Antonio Spurs).[46]
[edit] Others
Gold Medal with Team USA, Tournament of Americas Olympic Qualifiers
Gold medal with Team USA, 2007 FIBA Americas Championship
Gold medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympic Games
1996 Naismith High School Player of the Year[47]
1996 Gatorade Circle of Champions High School Player of the Year[47]
1996 McDonald’s High School All-American[47]
1996 USA Today All-USA First Team[47]
1995 Adidas ABCD Camp Senior MVP[47]
Named to the USA Today All-Time All-USA First Team in 2003.[48]
USA Today and PARADE’s 1996 National High School Player of the Year with a seasonal average of 30.8 points, 12.0 rebounds, 6.5 assists, 4.0 steals and 3.9 blocks per game.[27]
Led Lower Merion High School to a 31–3 record, including 27 straight wins, and the PIAA Class AAAA state title as a senior. The Aces defeated Erie Cathedral Prep 48–43 to take home the gold (1996).[27]
The all-time leading scorer in Southeastern Pennsylvania school history with 2,883 points.[27]
Had his Lower Merion High School number 33 retired on January 26, 2002.[49]
ESPY Awards
2002 Outstanding Team Award (Los Angeles Lakers)
2006 Under Armour Undeniable Performance Award (Kobe Bryant’s 81 Points)
2008 Best NBA Player (Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers)[50
I have nothing to say
Erwan Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 4:27 am
Lebron
Awards and honors
Main article: List of career achievements by LeBron James
NBA Rookie of the Year: 2004
NBA All-Rookie First Team: 2004
NBA Scoring Champion: 2008
2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2006, 2008
4-time NBA All-Star: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
4-time All-NBA:
First Team: 2006, 2008
Second Team: 2005, 2007
Bronze medal with Team USA, 2004 Summer Olympic Games
Gold medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympic Games
Bronze medal with Team USA, 2006 FIBA World Championship
Gold medal with Team USA, 2007 FIBA Americas Championship
Michael Bennett Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 7:12 am
Way to go, Erwan. Congrats! You can copy and paste. Now, go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and retrieve the rest of LeBron’s comparable stats.
MB Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 7:46 am
CAREER STATS:
LeBron James
27.3 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .467 FG%, .323 3P%, .728 FT%
Kobe Bryant
25.0 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.5 BPG, .453 FG%, .340 3P%, .839 FT%
Kobe is better at 3s and FTs. He’s a better man defender. But, LeBron is better at EVERYTHING ELSE, including scoring, rebounding and passing… otherwise known as basketball. Kobe is clutch? Is that a joke? What have you done for me lately? When was the last time he was clutch? In 2002? LeBron scored 45 in the close-out game IN Boston. Game 7 last years Playoffs. In the Finals Game 6 close-out, Kobe had… 22 pts. 7-22 from the field. LeBron is the best clutch player in the NBA right now (and, that’s what we’re concerned with - the PRESENT). Kobe WAS the best clutch… five years ago.
CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS:
Robert Horry - 7
Steve Kerr - 5
Kobe Bryant - 3
Robert Horry and Steve Kerry must be better than Kobe - they have more rings. Way to set up that one… Number of rings means nothing. In Kobe’s case, no Shaq, no rings. Period.
I love Kobe. LeBron is just better. So is DWade.
enzo Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 8:07 am
Someone there knows about Pau Gasol?? In the last 3 years:
*World Champ, over James, Anthony, Ginobili, Iverson…, and declared best player.
*Silver Medal in Olympic´s Game Beijing, in the top 5 player. USA won with the refs help….
OPEN YOUR EYES PLEASE!!!!!
Ronaldo Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 8:20 am
the best players are top big man or lets call them Gaints
shaq,KG,Duncan (those three should win again and again, until Bosh,D12 or Yao step up)
Lebron,Kobe will never win with out a Giant. thats why they cant f with MJ the real king.
My top 5 : KG,Duncan,DH,Bosh,Yao (give them just 2 allstars and thats a ring, you cant say the same for anyone els in the game)
jt Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 8:45 am
Um…..Danny Granger anyone?……anyone?
Tony Parker est-il le meilleur joueur en pénétration de l’histoire ? | BasketUSA - L'actualité de la NBA au quotidien Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 10:29 am
[...] d’autres confrères avant lui, Eddie Johnson (HoopsHype) a couché sa liste des 25 meilleurs joueurs actuels en NBA. Son Top 5 : dans l’ordre, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, Tim Duncan et Kevin [...]
Ron Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 10:34 am
The real top 25:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Tim Duncan
6. Yao Ming
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Dwight Howard
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Dirk Nowitzki
11. Deron Williams
12.Steve Nash
13. Allen Iverson
14. Carmello Anthony
15. Tracy McGrady
16. Elton Brand
17. Baron Davis
18. Carlos Boozer
19. Chris Bosh
20. Paul Pierce
21. Manu Ginobili
22. Joe Johnson
23. Shawn Marion
24. Brandon Roy
25. Tony Parker
JDee Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Great list, I’d have Ginobili in my top 10, he’s too good to be above #20, plus, he’s a winner. Melo would drop. He does not play a lick of defense and I’ll be suprised if his teams ever win. One of the things that is glairing in your list is that it’s mostly stats driven. Defense isn’t in the equation. Still not sold on LeBron being a top player, there’s just some intangible missing from his game. Ming’s in my 10-20 range, does not bring enough to the table, and constantly hurt. Wade would have to work his way back up the ladder also.
W2 Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
I am a homer for sure…but I watch alot of hoops. I would take Paul Pierce on a team over AI, TMac, Dirk, and Melo for certain. No question.
The dude is hated because he wants to win badly. He needs to win. And when he doesn’t he acts like a freak.
My ten.
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Chris Paul
4. KG
5. Duncan
6. Dwight Howard
7. D Wade
8. Amare
9. Paul Pierce
10.Deron Williams
Erik Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
It’s crime to not have Carlos Boozer on this list. He’s a double-double guy that was on the Olympic team (though I know he didn’t play much)
His defense was better in the preseason. I take him over Elton Brand at this point. 25 and 14 for Boozer playing agaist Martin and Nene, 14 and 11 (on 5-14 shooting) against Bosh and O’neal. I know it’s early, but Boozer is sure starting out better.
David Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
To whomever sent the Frenck link:
bonne article, surtout parce qu’il y avait aucune preference pour le francais
jeff Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
4. Dwight Howard
5. Dirk Nowitski
6. Amare Stoudemire
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Steve Nash
9. Yao Ming
10. Kevin Garnett
11. Carlos Boozer
12. Allen Iverson
13. Al Jefferson
14. Chris Bosh
15. Joe Johnson
16. Carmelo Anthony
17. Tim Duncan
18. Paul Pierce
19. Gilbert Arenas
20. Deron Williams
21. Brandon Roy
22. Tracy McGrady
23. Josh Smith
24. Baron Davis
25. Kevin Durant
26. Elton Brand
27. Ray Allen
28. Chauncey Billups
29. Ron Artest
30. Kevin Martin
31. Andre Igoudala
32. Caron Butler
33. Michael Redd
34. David West
35. Chris Kaman
36. Emeka Okafor
37. Vince Carter
38. Richard Jefferson
39. Shawn Marion
40. Josh Howard
41. Rashard Lewis
42. Rip Hamilton
43. Luel Deng
44. Antawn Jamison
45. Tony Parker
potrero joe Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
Eddie,
regarding your comment about McGrady’s body….how much did your body change over your career? How much was due to ‘time in the weight room’ vs natural maturation?
Is putting on more bulk advisable for every player?
van Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
Ronald,
What the hell r u talking about bro…bosh shut the f up…give kobe,lebron,or d-wade for that matter 2 all stars and they would win get the f putta here with that retarded shiiiiiiiit
van Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
MB,
Shooting and defense is basketball bro….kobe is a better defender,shooter,and ft shooter what more do u want…lebron a better passer and rebounder he is a better passer and rebounder tha MJ also..does that mean he is better…hell no and Kobe is the closet thing to MJ the league has seen
Bhavik Patel Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 4:27 pm
I think hes wrong on the top five players in the league. I rank them in this order.
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebaron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Tim Duncan
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Dwayne Wade
7. Allen Iverson
8. Dirk Nowitski
9. Dwight Howard
10. Steve Nash
Mattias Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
Hahaha…Eddie Johnson. Have you realy played in the NBA?? Paul Pierce is the best player in the league right now. But maybe you don´t like the Celtics. About Lebron James as numer one..I disagree. James is not as talented as players like Pierce, Nash, Garnett, Nowitski. James has a great body, no question about it. But that is the only strength he have. He´s not a good shooter. He´s not good from the foul-line. He can exploed to the rim becuase of his strength and body. James only can slam hard on the breakes…James isn´t that good of defender eihter. And compering him with “Magic” is wrong if you ask me. He don´t have the eyes like Magic or the finess.
1.Paul Pierce
2.Dirk Nowitksi
3.Kevin Garnett
4.Steve Nash
5.Dwight Howard
6.Tim Duncan
7.Kobe Bryant
8.Allen Iverson
9.Yao Ming
10.Chris Paul
11.Lebron James
12.Tony Parker
13.Ray Allen
14.Amare Stoudamire
15.Chauncey Billups
16.Tayshaun Prince
17.Richard Hamilton
18.Pau Gasol
19.Manu Ginobili
20.Baron Davis
21.Antawn Jamison
22.Chris Bosh
23.Stephen Jackson
24.Shaquille O´neal
25.Tyson Chandler
In my opinion, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the best players of all time in the league, and it will stay that way!!
Ghana Boi Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 5:25 pm
AHAHA…Parker, Dirk, Pierce, Wade iz betta dan Melo….don kill me lol….n LeBron iz not betta dan Kobe…Kobe iz da best palyer…take out manu, parker, marion, butler….n put in Brandon Roy, Vince Carter n Joe Johnson…But melo should b in da top 10 n Kobe should b number 1 on dat list
Brian Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 5:26 pm
Mattias, that’s the worst list i’ve ever seen!! let me guess, you’re a Celtics fan right??
Jeff- you’re a very confused person! how do you have cp3 at 2 and Dwill at 20?? I’m not saying cp3 shouldn’t be in the top 5, but Dwill at 20?? come on! he’s every bit as good as CP3…
Matt Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
It’s pretty hard to rank these guys, but I agree with Eddie for the most part. He is looking at it from an overall standpoint with leadership being included with offensive and defensive talent. With that being said:
1) If you have 3 of the top 20 players you should be winning championships. The Suns have not done so. Shaq is not a top 25 player anymore even he commands a double team. He has no lift at all anymore. Steve Nash could probably lead the league in scoring if they just ran him off screens. Amare isn’t a smart enough basketball player to deserve a top 10 spot, he’s a great athlete but I can re-call the mental mistakes he has made that cost them games against the Spurs during the playoffs. He’s just dumb.
2) Joe Johnson is a top 10 or 15 guy for sure. I would trade him straight for anyone ranked 15 to 25. He is the only other guy in the league with LeBron type skills in a man’s body.
3) Dwight Howard doesn’t impress me. He doesn’t have any go to moves in the post. He’s huge and really athletic but he is going to need another superstar to get anywhere.
Richard Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 7:19 pm
Eddie,
I’m interested in your take on Stephon Marbury and the situation in NY. Are you planning on tackling that anytime soon?
John Cashman Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 7:20 pm
Kobe not number one? . Lebron can’t even shoot 80% from the charity stripe. You pit Lebron against Kobe in 1-on-1, and Kobe will dominate.
John Cashman Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 7:23 pm
and Mattias doesn’t even know what he is talking about. He is questioning if Eddie Johnson ever played in the NBA, and then puts up a ridiculous list with Kobe at # 7. Now you know what you cant take Mattias seriously.
John Cashman Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
and whoever said Lebron is the best clutch player in the NBA is an idiot. For someone who was swept in the finals and can’t even make his free throws, the title of clutch doesn’t fit well. Greatness is defined by winning. That is the whole point of playing sports. Thats what makes Tim Duncan better than Karl Malone and Bill Russell better than everyone who has ever played the game. Winning is the ultimate level of greatness. Lebron has never reached that level yet. Kobe has, 3 times. If it is not all about winning, then why bother playing harder?
MB Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
Well Kobe’s closest we got in terms of MJ’s style of play. Kobe is the great finisher in the clutch no doubt. If I was going to form a team the first person I would take is LBJ in a heartbeat. Well, Scuz let me get an opportunity to school you. You said LBJ Plays all the minutes and takes all the shots but little did u know Kobe is the leader on that category, dont believe me, do some homework. Kobe’s 3pt% last year was .361 and LBj’s 3pt% last year was .315, wow that really overwhelms me, and for the last five or six years this is his best 3pt%. As for your FG% last year LBJ’s was .484 and in which rear did kobe hit that mark? What kobe got advantage over LBJ is minutes played,3pt% but not by much, FT%, and turnover. As for the clutch performance last year LBJ was the best finisher when it came down to the fourth quarter dire minutes, don’t believe me go check it out. Yes LBJ was the clutch performer last year. As for the rings and MVP, last year kobe won that MVP out of sympathy, in my book that award goes to Chris Paul. Before he could get Lakers over hump he was just whinning, in LBJ’s career he never did that and never disrespected his team mates now my friend that is leadership. Kobe went to the finals with the help of Gasol,Odom and tremendous supporting cast and what does lebron has, nada. Ofcourse kobe has a better midrange but that is not the reason enough for me to take him before LBJ.
Andrew Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 8:55 pm
So the Suns announcer thinks that his team has three of the top 18 players in the league?
I’m shocked.
Then why is it they”ll finish no better than 5th in the Western Conference and probably lower?
No wonder this guy couldn’t get a sniff for a head coaching job.
Take the goggles off Eddie.
Alex Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
Hello Everyone,
I think it is great that this article creates so many varied opinions.
I would like to make a case here for Dirk Nowitzki for being higher on the list. I see that Eddie has put him in at Number 12 now. I think the top 12 are all extremely close together and not a lot of difference between them.
Here is my top 12:
1. Kobe
2. Chris Paul
3. Le Bron James
4. Dwayne Wade
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Tim Duncan
8. Chris Bosh
9. Paul Pierce
10. Amare Stoudamire
11. Deron Williams
12. Dwight Howard
Yao would not make my top 12.
Looking at it from a statistics point of view I really like using John Hollinger’s PER and Usg stats.
To quote John: ” Nowitzki’s specialty remains creating high volumes of shots with virtually no negative plays. He led all power forwards in usage rate, but had the seventh-lowest turnover ratio at his position; he was also 11th in TS%. Combining those two and the fact he was ninth at his position in pure point rating, he used his possessions as efficiently as anyone — making it possible for Dallas to have one of the league’s best offenses even while getting middling-at-best production from the supporting cast.”
Last years top 10 PER ratings:
PLAYER PER PLAYER PER
LeBron James, Cavs 29.23
Chris Paul, Hornets 28.39
Amare Stoudemire, Suns 27.61
Kevin Garnett, Celtics 25.30
Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs 24.66
Tim Duncan, Spurs 24.41
Manu Ginobili, Spurs 24.34
Kobe Bryant, Lakers 24.31
Chris Bosh, Raptors 23.88
Chauncey Billups, Pistons 23.61
In the last six years Dirk’s Per was only one time below 23.
In regards to his toughness and him being a choker:
- 50 points game 5 Western Conference Final versus Phoenix 06 (Mavs won)
- Game 7 - Western Conference Semifinal versus Spurs 06. Forces overtime with and1, and blocks TIm Duncan next posession.
- playing with an injury last year the last few games of regular season just so the Mavs can actually make Playoffs
- 3rd place at 2002 World Champs with a German team that is very average (USA finished 6th)
- Euro 2005 semi versus Spain. Leads an inferiour team in all aspects to place in final by hitting game winning shot over Garbajosa.
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Trade value:
Let’s assume a team would like to trade for an All-Star calibre player. Who would they rather have in their team right now Shaq, Shawn Marion, Chauncey Billups, Allen Iverson or Dirk Nowitzki? As I said the top 12 to me are all pretty even with the younger players obviously having more value then say Tim Duncan due to upside.
Versatility:
While Dirk is not the best defender and that is obviously his weaker point in his game most players in the top 12 have got weak spots. Kobe is probably the most complete player on both ends on the list.
Conclusion:
As I said at the start it is great that everyone here is got there opinion. I do find the language in some comments to be pretty bad. I am from Europe and not American but I always thought that freedom of speech and opinion are qualities that Americans pride themselves on? Hence I do not see a reason why Eddie needs to be called names just because people do not agree with his opinion.
Craig Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
MAN WHERE DO I START. FIRST OFF PPL ANNOY SAYING HOW THEY KNOW THE GAME OF BASKETBALL SO WELL. AND THEN THEY SAY LEBRON IS BETTER THAN KOBE…..WTF U CANT BE SERIOUS WITH THAT. ITS OBVIOUS AS HELL THAT KOBE’S GAME IS WAY DEEPER THAN LEBRON’S. YES LEBRON IS A BEAST BUT THATS IT. HE’S A PHYSICAL FREAK OF NATURE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PURE GAME HE’S NOT EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS KOBE. LEBRON EVEN KNOWS THAT, WHY U CANT U OTHER DUMBASSES SEE THAT. LOL.
AND ABOUT THE KOBE & MJ COMPARISONS. NOBODY SEEMS TO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHEN MJ PLAYED IN HIS PRIME THERE WASNT NEARLY AS MUCH COMPETITION @ HIS POSITION AS THERE IS NOW. THERE MAGIC & DOMINIQUE…. THATS IT… YEA KOBE DOESNT DOMINATE LIKE MJ, ONLY B CUZ OF MUCH BETTER COMPETITION. SEEING BOTH PLAY I WOULD SAY KOBE, BUT I DONT BELEIVE HE WILL EVER GET THAT RECOGNITION. THE MAN CAN WIN 7 RINGS AND BREAK ALL OF MJ’S RECORDS AND PPL WPULD STILL SAY MJ IS #1 ALL TIME. I MEAN STOP LOOKING BACK ON MJ LIKE THE MAN WAS PERFECT. HE GO HIS ASS WHOPPED IN THE PLAYOFFS JUS LIKE KOBE HAS. REMEMBER DETROIT PISTONS GOT IN THAT ASS. POINT BLANK STOP TRYNA PAINT HIS UNREAL PICTURE OF MJ LIKE HE COULD DO NO WRONG. KOBE IS A BETTER OVERALL SHOOTER, BETTER BALL HANDLER, AND JUS MAKES RIDICULOUS PLAYS NIGHT IN AND NIGHT OUT. SIMPLY I DONT THINK KOBE WILL EVER GET THE RECOGNITION B CUZ EVERYONE WAS SAYING THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER MJ OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO MJ, AND HERE COMES KOBE RIGHT AFTER. ENDS UP BEING BETTER. PPL JUS WERENT READY. SO PPL STOP BULLSHITTIN, GIVE THE MAN THE RESPECT HE DESERVES. MAN UP AND GIVE THE MAN CREDIT, STOP WIT UR SO CALLED PERSONAL GRUDGES. U DONT EVEN KNOW THE MAN. LOL.
Mike Miller Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
This list is bull.
Kobe obvious #1
Caron butler and Shawn Marion?!? WTF?
No Pao, Boozer, or Ray Allen?!
Dwayne Wade isn’t better than Bosh, Amare, and Yao?!?
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
zen Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 11:12 pm
hey eddie, dont listen to these people that tell kobe is better than lebron. kobe is nothing, i think wade is better than kobe.
kobe is just the flashiest player in the nba. thats why he also has the most fans, but that doesnt means hes the best
LEBRON is the epitome of Godgiven basketball talent. He is like the Cheat in a video game. almost unstoppable because hes too big, too fast for anyone.
my rankings is
1. Lebron
2. CP3
3. WADE
brock Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 11:13 pm
Eddie, you are a joke. Hopefully people will finally start realizing that you only can write about things that has already happen and pretend you predicted it. How can you possibly leave Dirk off the list? The fact that you know have him ranked 12th just shows that you stick to your old ways and try to pretend you have useful thing to say.
Hassan Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 5:47 am
matties is a fucking retard
mike Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 11:47 am
Al Jefferson? Carlos Boozer?
And not putting Dirk on the list, that’s damn ignorant.
casey Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 1:42 pm
no way lebron is number 1. he’s just the new guy that the nba is trying to push right now. pretty weak jump shot. for all this talk of him being a team player he shoots about 30% from 3 point range and takes the most shots on the team even though he has good 3 point shooters around him. he plays little to no defense to speak of except for the occasional spectacular block, which makes people think he’s a good defender. he is definitely not clutch. he barrels into guys at the end of the game and gets some breaks, but if the game is on the line i don’t want lebron taking my team’s last shot. when you are honest with yourself and look at it objectively do you really want him to take yours. he wouldn’t even be considered clutch if he didn’t have one good game against the pistons in the playoffs a few years ago. he does have greater talent than kobe overall, but is not currently a better player. not even close. it’s like the michael and magic debate. magic did everything lebron can do now minus the explosiveness, and he did it better. it’s debatable, but not too many people think he was better than michael. same with lebron and kobe. kobe has that competitiveness and will to win that mj had. kobe is the better player and will prove it by adding his 4th championship this year compared to lebron’s 0.
bluefalcon189 Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
i think the olympics really affected the rankings here. it was the one time we could see slot of these guys on the same team and thereby have less variables. now we know how wade, lebron kobe and carmelo all look when theyre on the same team and lebron looked better than all of them. hell, wade looked better than ive ever seen him in the NBA.
Michael Bennett Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 4:07 pm
casey - LeBron’s the new guys, huh? Sixth season is new? In pro sports, that makes you a veteran, smart guy.
People like you just lock into that BS argument and won’t let go. He’s actually the best in the NBA. Most experts picked him as preseason MVP. The last few seasons, he’s led his B-team deep into the Playoffs, they ride on his back like no other.
Game 2 - 22pts, 9 rbs, 9asts in … 30 minutes of playing time!!! Man!
And, bluefalcon189, I agree. The Olympics really leveled the playing field. What did we learn (what I’ve known all along)? LeBron is the best all-around player in the world. Kobe is great on both sides of the ball, but he’s a very streaky shooter who can’t “lead” a team. And, DWade is the best shooting guard in the world.
Hassan Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 4:39 pm
michael bennet ur out of ur fking mind… hows kobe not a leader??? LIKE I TOLD U BEFORE LEBRON LED A TEAM IN THE EAST… IN THE FUCKING EAST… DO U UNDERSTAND THAT KOBE LED HIS TEAM IN THE WEST TO THE FINALS? THATS NOT LEADER ENOUGH????? OPEN UR EYES ,,, how the hell is dwade the best shooting guard in the world… ur the first that says that… its very clear .. get ur glasses cuz its not clear for u woow never seen someone so stupid
Michael Bennett Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
The East? Where three of the last five world champions hailed from.
Boston Celtics
San Antonio Spurs
Miami Heat
San Antonio Spurs
Detroit Pistons
The East’s records aren’t as good as the West’s for the past few seasons. But, the East’s best teams are every bit as good as the West’s.
Anybody who thinks the East is the “weak conference” and posts that is admitting they’re not NBA educated and are just repeating what they’ve heard somewhere.
NBA Finals MVPs
Dwyane Wade = 1
Kobe Bryant = 0
eddie Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 6:27 pm
This is for my man Brock–i hope your first name is not Lou.
goof i said i had Dirk and made a mistake and didnt put him in. i change my opinion for no one Brock. remember that Brock. i bet your game is filled with Bricks—Brock lol
eddie Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 6:30 pm
michael
stop hating on Kobe. he is a leader. you all must understand that Michael lovesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Lebron. so let him Loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Lebron. he has a right. where is Rashidi when i need him to calm down Michael.
Baller_01 Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 6:37 pm
Kobe should be #1, LeBron won’t be GOAT your a bit nuts to think that… he’s a great player yes but GOAT is MJ
Hassan Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
kobe= 3 rings
wade= 1
and dont say cuz shaq led them there… because on both teams if shaq wasnt there they both wouldve not been there
and also without kobe shaq wouldnt have won…
wen d-wade and shaq won it where did the miami go next season..
FIRST ROUND LOST TO THE BULLS
p.s if ur gonna talk about dwayne gettin his nba finals before kobe… well look at it this way… shaq was at his prime wen the lakers won… shaq was aging wen dwade won it
Hassan Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
p.s michael… we r not talkin the last 5 years .. were talkin about the most recent which is last year
in fact most of the years the west is most dominant…
Moylan,K. Said,
November 1, 2008 @ 9:16 pm
Is it Just me or is everybody asking for Dirk and saying he’s not on the list…He’s #12! Am I wrong? Penny Hardaway is #26!!!
Chris Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 12:30 am
I agree with this assessment warm heartedly and if i were to change anything it would be to put CP3 as #2 and move Kobe to #3 even though i’d rather place him outa the top 10, i gotta be honest Kobe is the 3rd the best player in the league, and that me being nice
EJ hater Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 1:21 am
EJ doesnt know anything. I live in AZ and listen to him on suns broadcast. He is an idiot who is full of of himself.
Wade4thewin Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 3:23 am
Eddie you are a great basketball mind,but I have to disagree with your ranking. Kobe is still the top dog,and the gold medal game proved it. On the world’s biggest stage when the game got tight kobe saved team usa. There is really nothing that lebron does better than kobe skill wise. So what he get’s almost two more rebounds. He is three inches taller than kobe. His assists are inflated due to the fact that he has the ball more than kobe does. Lebron at this stage is not even better than wade. Cp3 is also better than lebron. cp3 is the second best player in the league right now. Lebron is more hype than substance. Lebron has never won anything as the first,second or third option. Has anyone else ever been hyped this long after not winning anything? Also name me another star that has ever shot 2-18 in the postseason? Tonight against the hornets he shot his team out of the game. Face it lebron is in his sixth year,he is not going to get any better. If anything once his physical ability starts to breakdown he will not be as effective.
Winkstrap Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 3:24 am
eddie your top 5 was excellent!
then you dropped the ball or somebody forgot to wind down the windows because something definetely kicked in
yao has never done anything in the nba except get injured on a regular basis (pick 6 ???) where as i can see you rewarding a guy like SHAQ for getting the job done throughout his career
paul pirce is not nearly high enough (bosh is way to high) and not to have ron artest in the top 25 is criminal and after this season you may realise how good a player he really is
if the suns have 3 players in the top 25 (and have for a long time before the trade) why do they never go anywhere?
ok if defense is so important as you state where is ron artest on the list? nowhere maybe you forgot????????????????????????????
Hassan Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 4:51 am
winkstrap i agree with u
Web Hustler Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 10:10 am
Monta Ellis, if wasnt hurt would be on that list after this season.
DJ Mush Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 10:36 am
Bosh deserves top 10 if u know anything about basketball Winkstrap, he reminds me of KG but left handed thats scary ! And i agree with Eddie mostly except for u guessed it Kobe should be #1.
Scott Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 11:47 am
Shaq shouldn’t even be on there that’s wack
horatio Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 12:06 pm
I’ve read and acknowledge what everyone had to say and this is my little 2 cents. TMAC is better than he is ranked, Howard is one dimensional and that has to change. Wade is not getting the credit he deserves and personally i think he’s better than lebron but i know most of you will not think that. Neither is bosh,is it because he plays in Canada? like c’mon guys you have to be unbiased here.
Manfred Towes Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
I suspect that the frequency with which Eddie Johnson has watched Phoenix Suns games over the years profoundly influenced his decision to rank Shawn Marion without anything resembling a nod to the younger and — in multiple categories — superior, wings, Richard Jefferson and Josh Howard.
eddie Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
winkstrap
the suns have gone further than most teams represented on the list my man.
JB Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 6:10 pm
Eddie I have great respect for you game and basketball knowledge. However that list is terrible. I will agree that Kobe is than MJ is certain aspects of the game. I mean you can say that about any of the elite wing players compared to MJ. It’s just that Mike did all of those things well where as the others are stronger at certain things and weaker at others. Shaq shouldn’t have been on the list. He isn’t in the top 5 greatest centers. I agree to leave Vince off the list. Joe Johnson should have been on there. Dirk is way overrated. This is the beauty of sports. You will always have a spirited discussion.
Winkstrap Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
eddie dont speak crap i’m a suns fan and we aint done jack (3 absolute stars) with the talent we have and that is a fact not an observation dude
of course one-trick-tony didnt help things by burning the players out come playoffs every year with that stupid rotation
Michael Jordan Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 8:01 pm
Where’s Kwame Brown? He’s like, my favorite.. I mean, the greatest of all time!
AIadvocate Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 9:21 pm
I don’t have a huge problem with this list. Except that Iverson should be in the top 10 I think just because he can dominate a game scoring and creating for players, which Yao, and KG can’t do as well. As far as Nash and Stoudemire. Nash still not as dominant when the playoffs come around. I think he’s more of a product of the Suns original system and Amare. Suns were pretty good with Marbury as PG and a young Amare. And with some of your guys lists putting Melo ahead of Iverson. Please watch the Nuggets game. Iverson is clearly their best player especially in big-game situations. I know he’s the new thing, but as far as clutch it’s not really close. Wade needs to be in the top 5. I’d argue having Pierce and KG around 10-12. KG never wanted the big shots in Minnesota and didn’t do anything until Spreewell and Cassell got there. Not to discredit what he did in Boston, as his Defense was definitely the catalyst for their title run. And like Iverson, Pierce played with trash most of his career, but he’s still not Iverson. As far as Kobe being the best since Jordan…maybe over the last 3-4 years. I think it wasn’t until 2004-05 where he came into his own. He couldn’t take a team on his back in his first 3-4 years into the league. Duncan needs to be pushed back a little, but not much. Being a HUGE Iverson fan, I have no problem with LBJ being #1 as it’s an unbelievable accomplishment getting his supporting cast to the Finals, like Iverson in 2001. Iverson was in the top 5 for about 5 years (00-05) I have no problem with him being in the top 15 now, but his overall game has improved (assists/fg%). I just think there’s a lot of closet racism in the media. And don’t give me he hasn’t won a title shit. The NBA is the one league where having 3 stars or 2 superstars can get you to the finals by itself. And Melo and him aren’t a good fit. And yea, I’ll say it, Melo isn’t a superstar as far as big game performance yet. Hate it all you want. Too one-dimensional right now. Overall, not a bad list.
AIadvocate Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
I have to say, I have no problem putting Wade or LBJ over Kobe at #1. I think just over the last 2 years Kobe has learned how to play without simply scoring. How many times did he score 40 points while taking 35 shots? How many times did he have 50 points and 0 assists? While the 81 points was amazing. There were plenty of times Iverson had 50 and 8 assists. So when people get caught up with the 81, look at the whole picture. I think over the last 2 years he has earned being in the top 2-3 players in the league. But to say he is hands down the best player in the league since Jordan, is nonsense. And the 3 rings is a bogus argument as well. As someone mentioned earlier, Kerr and Horry have more rings. So does Rick Fox have more than Iverson, guess he is better. If you want to talk about the best players since Jordan, not counting LBJ, or Wade and any after that draft. So from 98-04. I would have Kobe at 4 or 5, to Shaq, Duncan, Iverson. Notice too, how his one on one defending has gone down since he had to carry the team offensively until they got Gasol. And remember about 2-3 years ago how everyone was ripping Kobe (INCLUDING THE FALL IN LINE MEDIA) about being a ONE-dimensional SCORER. Something he learned later than Iverson, Wade, and LeBron. So the Kobe rimjobbing gets a little old. But I will give in that he has earned that #1-3 spot over the last two years. We all know Stern wants Boston and LAL in Finals every year. It is amazing to me once a great player wins a title with another great player, they all of a sudden jump up over 5-10 players simply because of the title, not considering the role they had during the playoffs and their success before or after that other great player/players are gone. We all know you’re in love with the 81. But Wade and LeBron have an argument with Kobe as to who is the best right now. Nash, Nowitzki, Yao, are not beter than Iverson either.
eddie Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
JB
My list is not terrible and they have done jack.
eddie Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 11:35 pm
Winkstrap
who are you to state facts. whats your pedigree? please let us know why you can state facts? give me a break. you are not a serious Suns Fan so don’t try and validate that with me.
again what is your pedigree?
Mark Said,
November 2, 2008 @ 11:55 pm
Eddie, i agree with 95% of your list. But i wouldn’t take Caron Butler over Vince Carter. Caron is really good but he’s not a player who can push a team over the top or become a franchise player, that coupled with the fact that he plays in Eddie Jordan’s system where seemingly any wing can succeed should be taken into account. Say what you will about VC, but the man averaged 21 PPG plus career highs in Assists & Rebounds & played his best D basically on one good ankle last season. You say he’s injury prone, but he’s played in more games than Nowitzki,Yao,Boozer,Kobe,Arenas,T-Mac & Wade over the past 4 seasons. He’s proved ALOT in 10 years in the league & 1 year he didn’t make the All-Star team shouldn’t change that.
King Tutt A.R.K Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 4:30 am
Say Bro if you got a top 25 list for the NBA out and my DUDE
#2 JOE JOHNSON Atlanta Hawks is not on it !
No wonder those NBA catz are burning out for that overseas Cheez !
You Americans dont know jack ! Stinkin Jerks !
OBAMA 09 !
jmn Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 4:39 am
i remember reading a poll of nba players (on SI.com, i think) not too long ago about the player they fear the most - and it was overwhelmingly Kobe.
so it doesn’t matter what a bunch of has-beens or wanna-be’s think….those playing in the nba right now know what’s what!
http://www.nba.com/preview2007/gmsurvey_players.html
couldn’t find that poll but found this gm survey from last year instead. can’t see that changing much this year.
Winkstrap Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 5:15 am
eddie not relevant
this forum for comments are for people to state the facts or provide an opinion and not for you to question someone superior to yourself particularly when statements or comments are not backed up with any substance whatsoever brother
anyone who reads the comments i have made on your list knows that i know what i’m talking about
eddie you never admit when you are wrong
dennizyo Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 6:19 am
what a rank, i supposed kg as the no.1 player!!!!!
here is my rank, based on all around performance not just on offense but on both ends of the court…
1. kevin garnett
2. lebron james
3. kb24
4. paul
5. amare
6. deron williams
7. duncan
8. t-mac
9. yao
10. nash
Michael Bennett Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 10:29 am
For all of those who think Kobe is better than LeBron, tell me if THIS starting lineup beats Boston in the Finals last year:
PG - Derek Fisher
SG - Sasha Vujacic
SF - LeBron James
PF - Lamar Odom
C - Pau Gasol
I think the answer is overwhelmingly YES.
LeBron for President in 2016!!!
Dinye Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 10:36 am
You missed Calderon, who’s now a top 5 point guard in the league.
simmsimma Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 11:26 am
“LeBron is the most complete package in the NBA.”
Are you kidding me?!?!? C’mon Michael Bennett Lebron James doesn’t even have a package, forget the complete package. If you were to do a pros and cons of his game, you’d be amazed he made the top 25, let alone the top 5. Let’s try.
Pros: Great athletic ability. Can drive to the hoop with speed and/or strength better then anyone. Amazing ability to drive to the hoop and get an And-1. Good/on his way to being great passer.
Cons: Poor free throw shooting. Awful 3pt shooting. Lousy mid-range jumper. Can’t guard the very good-great players. Lacks the leadership to completely take over a game when needed.
I don’t think any of those points are even arguable. Out of players who took as many 3’s as he did last year, he finished second to last. His FT% has not gotten any better since he entered the league. Nor has his mid-range jumper as seen in the Finals against the Spurs and the loss to the Celtics last year in the playoffs. How often is he criticized for giving up the final shot of the game? Or trying to get teammates involved when he needs to dominate to get them back in the game? I’m not saying he is an awful defender, but he can not play man defense against the special players. You can put Kobe on someone and trust he’ll shut them down. Not true with James. He just lacks that talent so far.
He has the best potential in the game. I don’t doubt or argue that. If he stops worrying so much about becoming a world-wide figure and a billionaire and commits his energy to ball, he could become better then Jordan, and I fully believe that. He has that much potential. But he is no where close to being the best yet. As of right now in his career, the only thing I trust him to do is be able to drive to the basket.
If it’s the last play of the game, Lebron is not the person I want with the ball. He is a poor shooter and even if he draws the foul, he is a bad free throw shooter and seems even worse on clutch free throws. The only reason I’d want him on the floor is for his passing ability or to be a decoy. But I don’t want the ball in his hands. He hasn’t developed the necessary talents or trust for that.
Cordell Taylor Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 12:15 pm
Great article Eddie,
I would have probably elevated Paul Pierce to the Top 10 because he is a certified killer and champion now. Offensively, I think he falls below Kobe, Lebron and D Wade, thats it. Plus, he has gotten better defensively, which says alot for a guy his age.
Now, the best player in the league question is a basically a toss up in my opinion. Kobe is the most skilled basketball player in the league, no question. Lebron is the most awesome physical specimen as you mentioned. Both players dominate like no other…..but only one has three rings right now, I would probably give Kobe the edge…but for now I would say they have to share the crown.
Hotboi719ATL Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
Michael Bennet said :
“I think the answer is overwhelmingly YES.”
Whatever you are smoking Mr Bennett they don’t sell it in my neighborhood, or else I might could get as high as you are with that lofty statement.
Sasha Vujacic? Starting 2 guard? And you are thinking about winning a championship? You are ridiculous Bennett. I don’t think you believe the crap you write yourself.
LeBron James should be great, barring injury. But just because he’s big and athletic and likes to put his head down going to the hole does not make him a great player, well better all-around than Kobe.
The kid is not improving on his skills that much to me. I think he improved more his first few years than he has the last few. He’s been in the league for what 5-6 years now? At least when he first came in he had an excuse for not playing D, not shooting the J well, and making clutch free throws. It’s been 6 years and he hasn’t improved much on any of those qualities. I mean yeah he gets a head of steam and goes to the rack well and he will pass the ball easy enuff but what happens to him during crunch time? He fades away or he falters on the charity stripe.
How bout Stop somebody, be consistent closing out games, get a game with your back to the basket… do something LeBron. With as much talent\money that this kid has and being that the whole team is built around him and him controlling the ball and game how can you compare him to Kobe.
Name one year that Kobe played in a system geared towards him being the offense!!? Not a year where he took it upon himself to break out of the offense and get his but geared towards him like it is\was for Lebron, AI,Nash, T-Mac, Pierce and anyone else you want to compare to Kobe.
Kobe has never been allowed to play basketball in the NBA and be free like the rest of the Superstars he’s being compared too, even with that it’s still obvious that he is the most complete.
And please stop giving these kids all of this credit after only playing for a few years. That’s nothing but blatant disrespect to the Veterans who have been putting it down for years in this league.
eddie Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
King Tutt
i agree with you and when i come out with my next list around All-Star break Joe might be in the top 15. I love Joe Johnson and i kind of left him off because he reads my articles and i wanted to send him a subliminal message and it’s worked . (-: He is truly like a son to me.
eddie Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
Winkstrap
opinions not facts. yes i have admitted when i was wrong. i just did to King Tutt although he is a jerk with his remarks. read all my blogs and you will know sir.
eddie Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Cordell
thanks for the insight. always good to hear from you (-:
space Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 2:18 pm
enzo are you from maryland!?
and jeff — please don’t ever mention durant in this blog again til next season!!
erwan– relax!
lebron deserves this one. its almost like the passing of he guard when you KNEW jordan was just better than magic and bird. kobe is actually starting to show being ‘30′. i agree with almost all the picks. i would however try and find a way to squeeze monta ellis
joe johnson
pau gasol
and gerald wallace at the bottom. all serious difference makers. allstars. and all accomplished [except wallace & ellis].
space Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
and stop boosting pierce up 5 levels. he won a championship because the lakers had NObody who could play anything consistently and you could never double-team a guy who has garnett on the inside and ray [the real finals MVP allen on the outside]. pierce is great, but only lower level. where did he take the celts before anyone else got there [after antoine walker was out]?
Jay Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
wow. You picked Shaq over Carlos Boozer!? I don’t know about that one. His offense has nose-dived. He doesn’t have the foot-work and touch that gave him a better post-game back in the day. His defense is suspect. He basically just assaults anybody that enters the paint. I think Dikembe still wants to press charges for that NBA Finals against the Lakers. lol. Although, I do suppose Shaq brings some emotional leadership. Maybe, the Diesel may have something new for this season but until then he’s not top 25. He just has a top 25 personality.
I still think Kobe is better than Lebron. Lebron has regressed in some aspects of his game. I know it’s hard to imagine. He doesn’t get his teammates involved as much as when he came into the league. He’s becoming more like the old Kobe. Lebron is strong enough to just leap and run over almost anybody in the league. Kobe was good enough to shoot over them. They both dominated the ball at the expense of their teammates. It is hard for guys to stay motivated or in rhythm when one dude jacks up every shot.
Now, it looks like Kobe is finally trusting his teammates and motivating them as a leader on the floor with his confidence. It seems like he lets his team play as a unit and takes over when someone has to be the man.
simmsimma Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
Space:
What’s your point about where did Pierce take them by himself? Where has any basketball player taken a team by themselves? I can’t remember any player single-handedly taking a team very far. Jordan had Pippen and then Rodman. Shaq had Kobe and vice versa. D-Wade had Shaq. Duncan had Ginobli, Robinson, Parker.
Who in recent history has won anything by themselves? I suppose you could say Lebron took the Cavs to the Eastern Conference champions by himself, but winning an incredibly weak Eastern Conference doesn’t seem like much of an accomplishment to me.
Pierce deserves to rank higher because he is a more complete player then almost everyone in the NBA. He isn’t the best in the NBA at anything. Can’t pass like Paul, or hit 3s like Allen, or drive like James, or hit FTs like Nash, or defend like Bryant (though, he showed in the playoffs last year he can be a very good defender if he buckles down and gives it his attention) but he can do everything very well. And because of that, he gets under-rated. Rather then being the master of something, he is more a jack of all trades.
van Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 5:18 pm
CHRIS,
Get the fuck outta here with that dumb shitt!! Kobe 3rd and thats u being nice theres not 1 player n da league better than kobe let alone 2 or 3
wendy Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 6:48 pm
Top 25 NBA Players as of Opening Night 2008 - Eddie Johnson’s list says it all
wendy Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
opinions not facts. yes i have admitted when i was wrong. i just did to King Tutt although he is a jerk with his remarks. read all my blogs and you will know sir.
Michael Bennett Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 7:41 pm
Kobe is fantastic. LeBron is better. So is DWade.
Vote for Obama!
john marshall Said,
November 3, 2008 @ 11:52 pm
Kobe is not a leader. A great athlete yes a competitior yes but his teams he is succesful with are stacked.As far as this East to West Debate West is way better awesome but Lebron put his team over many west team in the regular season.Kobe goes out there and just plays no regard for his team what so ever.He lead his team in scoring not to the finals.Just ask yourself this question you are playing a pick up game on the playground who would you rather have 6-8 beast with stupid hops or Kobe who will cry for fouls and when he is losing.Lebron can not afford to spend alot of energy on Defense because on his team he is 1st 2nd 3rd scoring option.Kobe has several very dependable other options watch the games Gasol is a monster Bynum is ok Derrick fisher is very good when he gets a chance.Personally I like other players better than both my opinion is as a outside prospective your guys are probably Lakers fans.oh yeah Dirk is a complete 7 foot sissy with no desire to win.Duncan has no emotion in his entire body.Is list slightly different yes but am I gonna harass someone opinion no.
seeker Said,
November 4, 2008 @ 7:31 am
Pau Gasol…and now Marc Gasol. Do you remenber Rudy Fernandez, Mr. Dwight “Superman” Howard? Open your eyes,.. Yao Ming, WTF????
Michael Bennett Said,
November 4, 2008 @ 10:00 am
Any of you geniuses see the LeBron pass last night? One of the best ever…
Arturo Said,
November 4, 2008 @ 10:35 am
Caron Butler better than T-MAC. Eddie, you were on of the best shooters this league has seen, but I know that you even question yourself with that pick. MANU should be ranked higher than CARMELO. people on this board forget that MANU has been a huge part of 3 NBA championships and led his country to a gold medal. All MELO has ever done is take sucker punches on the new york knicks and then run around the court like a coward.
PEPE Said,
November 4, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
You included Elton Brand, but not Carlos Boozer? Wow. Sure he doesn’t play D, but the man can score. Brand can do neither because he butt never gets off the injured list
eddie Said,
November 4, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
PEPE
You have a very good argument for Boozer, remember i will revisit list at All-Star break. So are you telling me you would take Boozer over Brand? thats a tough call
HC Said,
November 5, 2008 @ 2:15 am
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, as it is clearly evident here.
Personally, I disagree with leaving Dirk out . His skills and influence on his team surpass some of the players on this list.
And, I love LeBron and dislike Kobe, but I admit that Kobe is still the more persuasive player to be ranked # 1, for now.
Omar Aberilla Said,
November 5, 2008 @ 4:00 am
Leaving out Dirk makes this list . I know his MVP award may seem like a long time ago (everybody forgets when you get ousted in the first round), but still. I mean you got players on the list who haven’t been winning a whole lot, and it’s not just about injuries. Yeah Brand can play, but he’s not ready for top 50.
Although I could not have agreed any better with your call on the top three best players in the NBA right now. Chris Paul is a magnificent player who definitely is coming for that no. 1 spot. No doubt, Kobe has a more complete game. However, with the freakish athleticism, superb court vision and team-oriented style of play that LeBron possesses, seals the deal for putting him atop the list. The scary part is that he’s years away from his prime. Still, with the game on the line, there’s no better killer than the Black Mamba.
Omar Aberilla Said,
November 5, 2008 @ 4:38 am
My bad, top 25 I mean.
Michael Bennett Said,
November 5, 2008 @ 8:12 am
Eddie - You should write a column about how Matt Barnes is the poor man’s Shawn Marion. And, the Suns have the best team since the Barkley days.
Then, I’ll write how LeBron is still the best and we can all go home and celebrate Obama’s victory. Sound like a plan?
King Tutt A.R.K Said,
November 5, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
eddie,
I CAN SEE HOW YOU OVERLOOKED JOE JOHNSON ON YOUR NBA TOP 25 LIST !
MAYBE YOUR PARANOID THAT THE SUNS WILL TRADE YOU TO THE ATLANTA HAWKS TOO ? HOW ABOUT THOSE JERKS !
KEEP UP THE BAD WORK eddie !
CONGRADS TO MR. PRESIDENT OBAMA !
CONGRADS TO GOOD OL AMERICA !
IN GOD WE TRUST !
douglas copeland Said,
November 5, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
Eddie you are the biggest Kobe hater.It’s funny because on your best night you were a decent ball player but Magic, MJ, Larry Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Jerry West, Clyde Drexler the mount rushmores of basketball have said Kobe is by far the best player in the game. Wake up Eddie but most importantly stop hating and get rid of that flat top I know your a phoenix honk but don’t get mad because Kobe made you and the fans in Phoenix lose half of there hair, it’s our year Kobe is the boss and if that isn’t good enough the guy you picked number 1 says that Kobe is the best player on the planet you seem to be the only one that can’t shake that haterism.
Scuz Said,
November 5, 2008 @ 9:36 pm
@ MIchael Bennett
Your an idiot and a fanboy
Did anyone else see Your boy Lebron miss all those free throws…mmmm?
Greatest player my ass, can’t even hit the easiest shot in the NBA next to the dunk and layup. Must be all that pressure.
The White Guy who Eddie Jordan Hates Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 1:00 am
I wonder if Lebron were white and Dirk were black, how our views have changed.
Funny how lebron and Kobe played like absolute pewp in their Finals appearances yet Dirk is the only one to recieve hate.
It’s reverse racism guys, pure and simple, and Eddie isn’t the only brother who hates on white players.
eddie is buggin Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 10:24 am
Why does there need to be a closest to anyone? MJ is MJ. How is Bryant better? You can say 3 pointers but Mike has plenty of 3s in big games. There is nothing Bryant does better. He is no where near Mike. Sometimes I think this Eddie Johnson is the fast Eddie Johnson, who was very good, who is on drugs.
eddie is buggin Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 10:26 am
I think people, and coming from Chicago, Eddie, you shold know better, how great Isiah was. Paul has a long way to go. Just remember the numbers he is putting up are the same numbers that KJ and Tim Hardaway put up. KJ and Timmy would kill Paul. How soon we forget. And I know Micheal Ray RIchardson would kill Paul too.
eddie is buggin Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 10:27 am
Michael Bennett….Lebron had one of the best passer ever? How old are you 15? That pass wasnt all of that.
eddie is buggin Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 10:33 am
Craig….you are an idiot. To say Mike didnt have great compeition is a joke. Do you remember Sidney Moncrief? Micheal Ray Richardson? Alvin Robertson? Mitch Richmond? I would like to see Bryant against those Pistons teams. Bryant couldnt even handle James Posey and the Celtics defense.The compeition today is not all that. There is no one in the league that is near Bryant so where is his compeition. How is Bryant a better shooter when Mike used to shoot 54 percent from the field? Jordan would average 40 today easy and win a ring. Todays game is so much easier than years ago. Plus Bryant has NEVER BEEN THE MAN ON A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM. Mike was always the main guy. Bryant is a great player, Mike reinvented the game. I MEAN ITS MICHAEL JORDAN!!!!
eddie is buggin Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 10:34 am
The only way James can be the best ever is if he wins like 7 rings. Anything less than how can he be? One ring is not enough. Unless he is Brett Favre who everyone thinks invented football.
simmsimma Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
eddie is buggin:
while I agree with many of your points, Posey didn’t shut down Bryant in the Finals. Posey actually played the worst defense on Bryant of the people guarding him (Posey, Allen, Pierce, Garnett) Posey plays aggressive in your face D, but his lateral quickness does not match Kobe’s and he got blown too often. Allen, Pierce, Garnett played a step further back and more physical which seemed to limit Bryant more.
Not that I’m just trying to correct you, but it does make a difference to say Bryant got locked down by Posey, then to say Kobe got locked down by 3 future Hall of Famers. Just sayin.
And championships are not the end all be all to say who is great. Bill Wellington has 3 rings. Wilt got 2. Anyone want to argue Bill Wellington is a better 7 footer? No one basketball player can carry a team to a championship. It’s too easy to lock down one player (see James, Bryant in the last two Finals). You need a team of at least 2 good players, preferably 3. (Kobe, Shaq. D-Wade, Shaq. Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. Pierce, Garnett, Allen. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman.)
eddie is buggin Said,
November 7, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
simmsimma…..
I did indicate Posey and the Celtics. I just remember in the last few games he forced Bryant into bad shots.
Championships are the end all with the great players. Of course role players dont count. If you are considered great you need to have a championship because thats always the greatest achievement. You always hear Magic, Michael and Bird then Isiah then Akeem. Barkley should be but you dont mention him because he has no rings. And he was great
Peter Robert Casey Said,
November 14, 2008 @ 9:24 pm
KB24 is not better Jordan in “a lot” of ways. Where is the supporting evidence behind that assertion?
eddie Said,
November 16, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Lebron
is still number 1. he is sick—–
Manolis Said,
December 10, 2008 @ 5:06 am
N.1 Eddie Johnson!!!!
Stevie Wonder Said,
December 19, 2008 @ 2:38 am
Hey everybody, don’t be mean to Eddie for leaving Dirk off of the list. He’s still mad about how I sliced and diced him during our Mavs/Suns email battle from 06-07 season.
I sunk my reality teeth into his brain and he surely hasn’t forgotten it.
I didn’t realize I had made such an impact. I guess I’m just an awesome dude…or maybe Eddie is just a huge homer.
Did anyone notice how current and former Suns players are the biggest and baddest of all time, but 95% of what is written about Dirk is some worn out rhetoric propaganda garbage that the media used to program NBA fans? Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming have never even gotten out of the first round of the play-offs and no one says anything about it.
You need to stop watching so much TV, Eddie.