Horry turns clutch again
Robert Horry has been viewed as one of the best clutch players in NBA history. He has been a part of six championships with the Rockets, Lakers and Spurs. He has made a number of late-game changing shots despite not being a big-time scorer, but Monday’s might be the best assist to win a series he has ever made.
The flagrant assault Horry put on Steve Nash in the Game 4 lost against Phoenix could possibly propel the Spurs to the Western Conference championship.
In one play when the game was seemingly over, Horry could have eliminated Amare Stoudemire, Boris Diaw and limited Steve Nash if he woke up this morning bruised and sore from the cheap shot Horry laid on him. I am extremely disappointed in Horry, but the true colors of individuals will always come to light when faced with embarrassment. Horry basically acted like the guy who brings his ball to the park and didn’t get picked to play, so he takes his ball and goes home.
I understand why he was disappointed. The Suns beat the Spurs at their game and especially when San Antonio thought they had control with an 11-point lead in the fourth quarter. The problem I have with Horry is this is the precise reason why he is considered to be one of the best clutch players ever. He has broken hearts of opposing fans and sent opposing teams to the locker room with despondent thoughts after making late-game winning shots when they thought they had the game won. Now when the shoe is on the other foot, he resorts to taking out the smallest and most important player for the Suns. I wonder… If that was Kurt Thomas, would he have sent that message to him?
I must admit Horry was one of my favorite players, but only based on his unselfishness. Suns fans have never liked Horry, though, because he forced a trade to the Lakers after the Suns acquired him and Sam Cassell from Houston for Charles Barkley. I will have a hard time understanding his meltdown and why a player who had no impact or confrontation in the game causes such an uproar at the end of it.
Because of it, the Suns are in deep trouble if Stoudemire and Diaw are suspended. Stoudemire’s argument is that he was checking into the game. Well, we will see if Stu Jackson believes that argument and what he decides.
Is it fair? No way. Will it be an even tradeoff, Horry for Amare and Diaw? No way. The league has a zero tolerance policy for leaving the bench area, but they have made adjustments before and in this case they should. If they don’t, then why shouldn’t Pat Burke or Kurt Thomas provoke Tim Duncan into a confrontation or fight in Game 5. This series is about to get real ugly and the league better set a precedent soon. We have seen some flagrant acts get overlooked in a number of series so far without suspensions and to finally suspend two players for doing nothing will ignite the bonfire that’s been building in every semifinal series so far.
If the Spurs are rewarded with these suspensions, Robert Horry will add another clutch moment to his career and the Suns will have to beat a very good San Antonio team in Game 5 without their top scorer. I think that, at best, is wishful thinking and the Suns would have to get a second win in San Antonio to get to the next round.
Good luck!
jimmy Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
suspend Popobich, too. He sent Horry into the game as a hatchet. It happens all the time in sports. Just like Cheney, sp?, at Temple. Otherwise Dantoni can send Burke to take out Duncan, not just provoke him. Dantoni is a class act and probably wouldn´t but I would.
Shane Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
I know what Horry did was wrong, but your bias for the Suns is unbelievable.
mason storm Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
I’m outraged. If Amare and Diaw are suspended they might as well hand over the series to the Spurs. You’d think that from at least a conspiracy theory standpoint they’d want to keep the Suns in this, so this “dirty” ball that the Spurs are playing can be retired. They complain more than an european soccer team.
I’m concerned about the NBA right now. As a fan I have not found any of these suns/spurs games enjoyable because i feel that San Antonio forces the referees to decide the game. Should we be focused on the officiating? I don’t think so. But players like Bowen, Ginobli and Duncan force officials to make difficult calls every time down the floor. Then they complain about them, making it that much more difficult for the officials to call a good game. All the articles i read by national media though for some reason doesnt address this.
Keith Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvKipceKjFvPdYCqcMrIRBC8vLYF?slug=sk-sunsspurs051507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
“In a play that went entirely unnoticed until well after the game was over, both Duncan and Bowen actually left San Antonio’s bench early in the second quarter after Francisco Elson and James Jones were entangled. Replays clearly show Duncan walking several steps onto the court as Elson and Jones appeared to be ready to get into it. Bowen then followed Duncan onto the floor, grabbed him and led him back to the bench. If the league does indeed follow the letter of the law, both Spurs players would also be suspended for Game 5″
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that changes the whole situation. if the NBA wants to go by the letter of the law then they should suspend Bowen and Duncan too.
INSIDER Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Horry is just a little punk i mean what was he thinking trying to hurt Steve Nash? I am a huge fan of the San Antonio Spurs and have been since 2003! But now i start to realize that thye play dirty and you may not like it but its true they do play dirty, its not like Pop is telling his players to go out there and hurt a guy on the opposing team. But coaches i have spoken to around the league have said that they should look into the Flagarant foul rule a little more and maybe make it a worse punishment - i think that Horry knew what he was doing when he commited the foul on Nash but didnt know that Nash has boys on his team that are willing to throw them selves out there for their star player!
RUSSELL WHITMAN Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
BOY, TALK ABOUT LOW LIFES. FROM THE HEAD COACH RIGHT DOWN TO ROBERT “CHEAP SHOT” HORRY. THAT PLAY WAS DESIGNED WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SEEING JUST HOW MANY SUNS PLAYERS WOULD REACT AND ULTIMATELY BE SUSPENDED. BRILLIANT MOVE I MUST ADMIT, IF YOU’RE INTO THAT SORT OF PLAY WHERE ONLY BOTTOM FEEDERS DWELL !
INSIDER Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
and also look at the team that have the mosty flagarant fouls and should punish the teams that do and have a talk with there players to tell them that dirty is not fun to watch but playing hard is… so you get what im saying is that - Play hard but dont get caught
mihir bavishi Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Can’t agree with you article more. The league makes the rules, and as David Stern has done before rules can be changed or rewritten if it turns out to be ineffective or inappropriate. Frankly I think the rule is too vague and cannot be strictly enforced, because there are too many debatable actions which can fall under this rule, when in fact it was written for one reason only, and that is to prevent a brawl. But like Steve said in post game comments, players are on the court all the time, when they are cheering on team mates, so why isn’t the rule applied then? Right there shows the league making exceptions. If the leagues is going to suspend players for getting involved in a fight, why not wait until they actually get involved. Not assume that because they put their foot on the court they committed a violent act. The league should be more specific with this rule, stating that a player must show intent or motive of actually engaging a confrontation. Otherwise, have levels of violations, like they do with flagrant fouls. Why not say hey if you leave the bench, but do not engage the situation you get a fine instead! PHX can pull this out without AMARE or DIAW, because they will have a chip on their shoulder, with the home crowd behind them and they just seem to play better when they have motivation! They should have plenty of it right about now!
Eddie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
That is the word floating around right now in NBA circles. I say let them all play and settle it on the court. If Duncan and Bowen is suspended opposite Amare and Diaw. The Suns would win by 20. This takes away from a great series. Sad!
Anthony Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Eddie, you are very equal with your arguments, but c’mon stick with the Suns!!!! The league can will look at the conditions of the players leaving through multiple camera angles. A player should and must be acknowledged to leave the bench to restrain and protect their teamates and even their opponents. If any player throws a fist and/or spits, then something should be done to them. Why don’t they at least fine Bowen for the groin kick on Nash…seeeee? There is a cover-up in this association! So if they don’t fine Bowen after clear evidence of the groin-kick, then don’t suspend Amare and Diaw. Its playoff basketball, so there can’t be any suspensions at all (unless Artest-ish)and the NBA will lose marketability without those two valuable players from the Suns.
Ferenc Glatz Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
That is a valid remark by Steve Kerr.. and furthermore, we did not even see how the bench of the Spurs reacted after the flagrant foul play by Horry…
Anyway, I dont think that unfair play, malicious provoking should result in ‘getting an advantage’ for your team. If yes, then what is going to happen next? In the next games, should Thomas wait until Duncan is on the bench then knock out Parker to provoke Duncan and co. to come on court and get suspended? Is that the way NBA should go? I dont think so. For the sake of fair play and for the future of the NBA I hope we’ll a wise and fair decision.
Eddie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Shane what bias
Mark Brown Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
I’m not a Suns fan (actually i’m a celtic) but I can’t stand watching Ginobili and co. playing. Man, this a**hole from Argentina keeps drawing fake fouls, faking like he is hurt, trying to force the referre to make bad calls. Remember 2005 playoffs. when D’Antoni warned the NBA about the wrong attitude of Manu.
For the guys who enjoy soccer, they might know that is a typical behavior of Argentina, trying to delay the game or cause wrong calls by the referee. I hope Ginobili, Oberto, Nocioni, don’t bring these cheap moves to the NBA. Mr. Ginobili, basketball is a great game, please don’t bring your dirty tricks to the NBA
Ross Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Nash is the king of flop. it wasn’t that bad. just a little shove out of bounds
Dylan J Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
the same bias Shane has for the Spurs?
Dylan J Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Mark Brown - I completely agree. Funny thing is that if you watch the replay of the Nash/Parker headbutt incident, Parker is still down on the floor writhing in his agonies while Nash is on the bench getting stitches and getting ready to go back in the game. I am sure Parker was hurt but really…
I just don’t know how anybody that flops and schemes like the Spurs have been can look themselves in the mirror and see any kind of real man looking back at them.
I guess that’s the difference between them and a guy like Nash - he’d rather loose and like like a man than lie, cheat and steal his way to a championship.
I got yer bias right here Shane - GO SUNS!!
Eddie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
Ross you said Nash is the King of Flops? Ross try and run full speed and have someone 50 pounds heavier than you pop you and see what direction you will go. I think Nash was cool with the hit. He was upset that he did it close to the sideline and that he he tried to seperate his shoulder. come on i like good hits in the flow of the game, but that was sad. We had an unwritten rule in basketball and that is pick on someone your own size and position. Horry showed no toughness with that hit. Also the King of flop resides in Texas and you know it. LOL
jmsphxsuns Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
What if the NBA has no conclusive evidence that Stoudemire was indeed checking in to play? I think the NBA would then let Stoudemire play. However, since Diaw did not immediately come into the game after the altercation he might be subject to a suspension. Horry for Diaw. Statwise it would be an even trade, but Boris Diaw means much more to the Suns since they only play 8 deep. I have a feeling, since the Elson incident when Duncan and Bowen stepped onto the court that Horry will be the only one in street close and rightfully so.
Ken (Orlando) Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
i have lost respect for the spurs this series for playing dirty when they don’t even have to because its not as if phoenix is that physical of a team in the first place. i used to think the spurs were the class organization that set them apart from everyone else. Apparently not.
Dylan J Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Here’s another difference between these two teams:
“Whatever will be will be, and I have nothing to do with it,” said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich. (Bart Simpson? Is that you?? D.J.)
“I was trying to skate between him and the boards and he got me with a hip check,” said the Canadian, who with his stitched-up nose is looking more these days like a hockey winger than a point guard. “What can I say? It was a pretty nice check.”
(SOURCE = SI.com)
How is that consistent with your theory, Ross? Reality much??
Dylan J Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Pardons all - one last point outta me.
Hey Eddie! Hope all’s well in your neck of the woods. Got a question for you.
One point I have been making on a lot of the ‘boards and such this week is as follows: The bid difference I’m seeing here between the physical play of the 80’s and a lot of the the criticism the Spurs have been getting (and I am talking mostly about Bruce Bowen here) is that even as brutal and as nasty as playoff ball was back then, it was always a deliberate thing and never the sort of thing that would potentially end a guys career. Even as much intensity and vitriol there would be between two guys, I see something more in terms of professional and respect for the game that is absent from this mounting situation with Bruce Bowen. Would you say this is true??
Now Bowen might not have *intended* to end anybody’s career, but this whole notion of “carelessness” has been brought up enough times that he is well aware of the consequences of his actions. I don’t know that he’s trying to do anybody in - I just don’t think he gives a damn one way or another. Realizing that Greg Popovich is an amazing X’s and O’s coach and has one hell of a resume, I am coming to the conclusion that he - and by extention, Stu Jackson - is as much at fault as anyone in all of this. If Bowen had blown as many defensive assignments as he has opposing players feet and ankles, he’d be at the end of the bench! Defensive Player of the Year or not, if Bowen were MY guy, he’d know full well that taking a man’s livelyhood away from him is no damn joke.
Am I way off the wall here?? After everything that’s happened in game 5, it may be coming a little late but here’s my question: Straight up - is Bruce Bowen a dirty player? And are the Spurs a dirty team??
Pretty cynical, but if any of this was a calculated move to sucker PHX players off the bench, the League has a lot more work to do in the offseason on rewriting the damn rulebook.
Ferenc Glatz Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Eddie, I agree with you. I used to be a basketball pro in Europe, when someone bigger hit you from the side when you are running at full speed, you fly like a donkey… try it Ross and play Nash’ part in this situation
good luck!
By the way, the best King of Flops nominee - in the NBA - is undoubtedly Manu…
Dylan J Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
NBA Upgrades Foul, But No Suspension For Warriors’ Davis
15th May, 2007 - 2:32 pm
ESPN.com
“Baron Davis will be allowed to play in Game 5 of the Golden State-Utah series Tuesday night after the NBA league office decided not to suspend him for his hard hit on Derek Fisher of the Jazz in Game 4.
NBA disciplinarian Stu Jackson upgraded the penalty against Davis to a flagrant foul, category 2, but elected not to suspend him.”
President for the eventual Horry/Diaw/Stoudamire/ ruling??
Lee Palmeri Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
If Baron Davis is not suspended, which they just announced he would not be, it will be very disappointing if they suspend Diaw and Stat. Also if they do suspend them, then Horry should be suspended more than one game. Also they need to relook at the second quarter when Duncan and Bowen left the bench when they thought Ellis and James were going to go at it.
NBA has to play fair or they are calling the outcome of the game. This series has been very physical from game one. Bowen is not suspended for his dirty playing but is admired for it by many. Play fair! Ever since the incident with Duncan and J Crawford happened, Duncan is getting away with more than any player in the league. If that is how they have to win the series, that is too bad but all win know how it happened.
It may be an ugly game on Wednesday and one of the highest watched of the series. people will be looking for the suns to win, if they do go ahead with suspending Stat and Diaw.
Matt Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Eddie,
Who do you believe will win the series? I’d ask in what game, but I think we all know it’s going seven!!!
Pointblizzy Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Eddie, I love your stuff, and I couldn’t agree with your synopsis of Game 4 more. Great blog entry.
I’m a Sixers fan so I am a neutral fan here no favoritism whatsoever. If the league moved forward with suspending Diaw and Stoudamire it would be a complete outrage, especially after no action was taken upon Bowen for the purposely driven knee to Nash’s groin area. If they’re gonna turn a blind eye to that incident, they should do the same thing in this case. And for those folks who believe that Horry meant no harm or malicious intent, think again! If Horry didn’t mean to knock Nash into another dimension he would have immediately shown signs of remorse,,,attempting to help Nash or asking him if he’s OK. Did any of you see a remorseful or appologetic Horry??? Sad part about this is that Horry is a class act, which leads me to believe that this goon call was orchestrated by Mr Sore Looser himself Greg Poppovich. He pulled the ace out of his sleeve in the closing seconds, with his star players contained on the Spurs bench. Reminds me of when Riley told PJ Brown to body slam that Knicks player in the 90’s which led to several suspensions. I understand that the league has its rules, but there’s gotta be exemptions to the rules in some cases.
icewater21 Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
Oh Eddie,
you are such a homer….
There are rules in basketball just as there are rules in life. When someone breaks the rule ( like getting on the court when you’re not allowed to) you should get punished. Easy as that, doesn’t matter if it’s a Spur or a Sun.
Why not follow the rules now? Because it’s unfair to the Suns? Come on…grow up..
Ed Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
The Spurs would beat the Suns regardless. I’m not a Spurs fan, but I don’t see the Spurs winning this series. Book the Spurs in Games 5 and 6.
Besides… Diaw and Stoudemire should know better.
This made u seem more like a homer than an actual analyst. Good Riddance.
Ferenc Glatz Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
icewater21… come on… do you think that Spurs would be better off with Bowen and Duncan sitting out Game 5 together with Diaw and Amare?
Dont forget, if the NBA goes by the letter of the law then they should suspend Bowen and Duncan too…
Lee Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Hey icewater,
if rules are rules, duncan and bowen can evjoy the view from their seats also. and please, don’t step on the court in Phoenix, otherwise, another suspension.
I am tired of all the talk, make a decision and get on with it. they are too busy with giving the MVP award to Dirk today to take care of the present business.
You see the crybaby Cuban…what a jerk he is!
kweenznyc Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
I don’t like neither team but I think that nash is a flopper just like d-wade, but if I had to chose, it would have to be the spurs.
F the suns.
Josh Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
I don’t see why you can blame Horry for Amare and Boris leaving the bench? Whatever happened to people being responsible for their own actions? They chose to leave the bench, it’s not like Horry physically moved them from it… I am not condoning what he did, but I don’t think you can blame him for those 2 players actions.
Jeff Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
I am a SPURS fan and am quite disappointed by the ending last night. Horry deserves to be suspended, much as I hate to admit it. Nash is a great player and deserves to be treated better. I hope that Stoudemire and Diaw don’t get suspended (we’ve already had enough excuses and crying from Suns fans… let’s beat them shorthanded to shut ‘em up!)
I do find it funny that no Suns fans put any responsibility on Stoudemire or Diaw. The players should know the rules, but they don’t. The Spurs entire bench stayed right where they were. Instead of acknowledging the mental mistake, Suns fans are crying again about how unfair it all is. Fact is Stoudemire is a youngster who continues to screw up.
By they way, did anyone notice that the Suns got all the calls last night? Spurs had twice as many fouls as Phoenix. Did Popovich go to the podium whining? Did anyone on the Spurs complain about the officiating? NO. Spurs lost the game. Suns won. Simple as that.
Wish you Phoenix fans could see that it’s about YOUR team, win or lose, not all the external stuff.
Matt Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
There is no possible way that the spurs will win game 5 with duncan and bowen out of the lineup, not possible. And who wants to watch a game without amare, boris, bowen, and duncan, suns would blow em out. Fine em, and let em play. The NBA is really starting to piss me off. It’s almost like a bunch of little sissies in the front office are determining the outcome of the playoffs.
God I wish we were in the 80’s still……………….. Now those were some real fouls!!!
Eddie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
To icewater and my namesake Ed. i am sorry that you are upset this morning. now you know i wrote a fair article. i even praised Horry for his past. On top of that i also said the rule is automatic suspension. The problem with you two is that your anger has taken the best of you. Here is some advice calm down, look at a fish tank or something to soothe your anger. I mentioned that Horry was one of my favorite players, but what he did last night was cowardly. Back in the day when their were no rules about players rushing the court. You have to wonder if Horry would have taken out Isiah Thomas with Mahorn, Laimbeer and Rodman close by. So spare me,He was wrong and it was a mad man frustrated being flat out stupid!
Eddie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Dylan
Bruce Bowen is what he is. He teeters on the edge with respect to defense. He understands thats what puts food on his table. Although i think he could be a pretty good offensive player. I personally really like Bruce. I have developed a nice friendship with him, but i would hate his butt if he guarded me. I told him that one time and he just laughed. So does he step overboard? yes but i have seen worst players.
Brent Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Fools gotta keep their heads. Everyone knows you don’t leave the bench. Brilliant play by Robert Horry.
I hate both of these teams by the way.
Mike B Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Absolutely amazing…was it a hard foul? Yepp…was it dirty ? Damn right . The NBA has turned into a whiner fest from every frigging team in the league, watch any player on any team and as soon as a foul is called they ALL automatically plead innocence…Bull Crap…the NBA is what it is..a money making cash cow ….the rules of basketball are literally thrown out the window…fouls that should be called rarely are, and fouls that shouldn’t be called always are…sad but true. These guys travel left and right, palm the ball etc. etc. It sickens me to see such a great game go down this path but it has. Lets look at the big picture here, these primadonnas make millions on top of millions playing a freaking game, and some make that cash for playing it like spoiled little brats, expecting the refs to rule for them because they are a supposed super star..that in itself is wrong, favoritism shouldn’t be aloud period. These knobs need to toughen up…when it was a game that Horry check would have been passed off as expected..the pussification and thin skins of this genres NBA players is laughable at best. Toughen up, shut up and earn your over payed salaries.
In my opinion David ” clueless” Stern has done nothing to better this league nor the game…if anything he has turned it into a joke…..and if they are going to blow flagrants on folks they might as well blow them all day long because there are a shit load of them every freaking night…but hey Steve Javy doesn’t have the sack for that…nor can he afford a Joey crawford exodus either..so he and all those other gutless refs just continue to chug along and ref games with blinders on.
Ryan Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
icewater, there are rules in life, but the world is grey, not just black and white! Not all violations of the law in real life come with an exact sentence (which is why we have trials, jurys, and judges). Amare and Diaw did leave the bench, however, they did not leave the bench to escalate the situation. This is clear from the video. No violation in my opinion was committed by Amare and Diaw, only Robert Horry needs to be punished. He’s a piece of sh*t and deserves to be out for the rest of the series!
Eddie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Like my article said Robert Horry is clutch. Horry 2 games and Amare and Diaw get 1 game each. game 5 will be a slugfest. I guarantee Pat Burke and Kurt Thomas will use 12 fouls on Duncan to the extreme. The NBA can never amend this rule now because this was their opportunity to do it and they did not. The Suns will take 30 three point shots tomorrow and commit hard fouls on Manu and Parker all game long. That will be their only chance to win. Jalen Rose could see his first action if James Jones does not produce.
Ferenc Glatz Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
This decision leads to nowhere… You comment as you want, but at the end: Flagrant foul play is rewarded…
We have to say: clever play by Popo and Horry…
What a shame…
This decision makes lots of people turn away from the game from the Spurs… stupid
Eddie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Brent your comment is welcome, but why are you calling players fools? if you want to have a good time here. Use your brain and give us some good material.
Brent Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
Horry and the Spurs got exactly what they wanted. Smart, clever, dirty. Call it what you will but when it comes down to winning in the playoffs it’s no holds barred.
Basically the huge mistake in the league is to have two sets of rules teams have to play by. There’s the regular season rules then the post season rules. How do you build a successful team when in the playoffs you have to suddenly put on your boxing gloves?
Steve Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Eddie, am I wrong to feel that I don’t ever want to give the NBA another dollar of my hard-earned money? That incident was completely instigated by Horry’s cheap shot and, if the you’re looking for a precedent, the NBA has just told all teams to have their 7th-12th man out for the other team’s (and the league’s TRUE) most valuable player. I’ve never made enough to own season tickets but I have dropped a lot of dough on NBA tickets and merchandise over the years (even at the Mad House on McDowell!). So, again, am I wrong to feel this way? After all, nobody will notice my money missing but even if they did, it would be the Suns and not the NBA - I don’t want to make the Suns a victim again. Tell me, Eddie.
Reggie Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Horry received a cheapshot on the play before, but that still doesn’t excuse what he did. The series of non calls and obvious missed calls frustrated him to the point where he lost his poise. Everybody knows the nba wants this to go seven games. I think ultimately this series plays out like a script. Spurs win game 5 and Suns game 6. Everybody’s on the floor in game 7, including big shot rob. I can’t wait to see how this plays out.
Brent Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
I’ll also say this. I didn’t catch this but if Duncan and Bowen left the bench they should be suspended too.
The rule can’t be changed at this point of the season but it’s pretty obvious that it needs some work.
Sam Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Perfect time now for the suns to bust out Sean Marks, he used to play for the spurs so he knows the ins and outs and he used to be the big man to guard duncan at practice.. besides hes clutch :). spurs knew suns over came their psychological barrier in game 4, that was the series and rivalry done. Suns are the better team now and old timers like horry couldnt handle loosing that edge.. what a greedy chump, like 6 isint enough !
Mike Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
I’ll give game 5 to the Suns. No doubt, between the collective chip on the shoulder, the home crowd, and a heightened physical response to the Spurs, they’ll eke it out. They played enough last season without Staudamire (though with Diaw), this won’t stop them. Suns in 7.
Motown Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Funny how the Sun fans react towards one of their players getting pushed when just last year Raja Bell close lined Kobe Bryant. What goes around comes around.
Carnell Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Eddie…..don’t know what I said to offend you, but all I was trying to point out is Amare is cocky and he has a big EGO!!! He should know his value to his team and never put himself in that situation. He deserves what he got, he knows the rules. He has to be smarter than what he was last night, his EGO got in the way. That’s why he’ll be watching game 5 from home! Sorry but true.
Dylan J Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Ferenc is right - Flagrant foul play is rewarded… but only if you’re the Spurs. Let’s see if the same rules apply if Coach D’Antoni were to send Pat Burke out to flatten one of the Spurs. The only trouble is which ONE??
The “beauty” of Popovich’s plan is that if the Suns retaliate, they play right into his hands. I’m sure that as part of his ruling, Stu(pid) Jackson issued a “no retaliation” decree or advised there would be greater penalties imposed next time. No rule on the books for THAT so again, we have a double standard.
The NBA: I Love This Game, but sometimes I hate this shady, crooked-ass league.
A.H Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Absolutely not agree
Horry did a bad thing ok but it’s not horry who bring both diaw and stoudemire on the court
So i don’t think horry have prepared this scenario as the post tends to say ……….
Too easy to say that it’s only horry or spurs falt … and i’m also against those suspensions because i prefer to see a matchup between all the suns and spurs guys
Alex Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Hey guys! I am a die hard spurs fan!! I love all of them all.. yes, the foul from horry was very unacceptable and he deserves his punishment 100 percent! But so do Amare and Diaw!! Amare is a liar saying he was running to the check-in!!!! No way.. you can tell that he was wanting to fight!! Also.. i know Horry hit him hard.. but come on.. act a little more!!!!???? Sucks for the suns that they have to go without Amare and Diaw!! Spurs have a MUCH better bench and will hopefully pull it out!! The Spurs ARENT a dirty team by any means!! Just because we are in your breathing area and play tight defense, doesnt mean we are dirty! yes, horry made a BAD decision to do that his did.. but he doesnt make a rep for the whole team.. and he himself isnt a dirty player!! Amare calls other players dirty, when he is just as dirty.. if not more!!! Bruce bowen is one of the best defensive players in the NBA and amare just wants to get him trouble, when bowen is doing his job.. playing his amazing defensive!!! So there.. GO SPURS GO!!!!!!!!!!!
Lars Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
This is a great discussion whether you are are Suns or Spurs fan let’s try to look at this entire series objectively and remove the biased filters.
For the record I am a Spurs fan and have been for a very long time. The notion that the team is dirty needs to rest…jeesh. Is Robert Horry dirty? No but that was no way to lay playoff leather on an opponent and he should be suspended for two games. That said, Phoenix too has doled their share of “nice hits” and that’s the way it should be. None of the coaches or players have any sort of agenda. Pop is usually the last person to shine the spotlight anywhere other than his team. Therefore, it’s ludicrous to think he inserted Horry to deliberately lay Nash out. I do think both teams have a great deal of respect but we all need to just get a grip and realize this is style of play was commonplace in the 80’s and 90’s. (anything earlier I would be dating myself) Playoff basketball is for all the marbles and both teams realize that getting past this round affords them a potential trip to the Finals. (yep I am projecting any of these teams to get past Utah or Golden State)
SA has played hard and so has Phoenix, it’s unfortunate that a great series will be marred by such poor judgement, by players and fans. As much as I would like to see SA win in 6, the truth is, after this series, I don’t have much faith thre will a more exciting series.
Lars from the A
SKY Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
The Suns will win this one.
They still have every defensive pieces to defend the Spurs big three. It will be very tough for Thomas because he will be logging some major minutes in game 5.
Now the Suns will really have to play a fast paced game to win, like the Suns in 2005-06 when they had Shawn at the 4.
Matt Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
Back to a way earlier post, but how can you call Manu the king of flops. Everyone knows he charges in hard and gets fouled hard, half the posts here are saying that the suns will continue to foul him hard. How else do you get a cut like that under your eye, because I dont think flopping on the floor would do it with a nose like his protecting him.
Hersey Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
Eddie- glad you’re blogging. Look forward to seeing you coach in the pros someday.
This is a good discussion. Robert Horry isn’t a dirty player but he commited a bad foul in a series that is full of physical play and cheap shots. That foul may or may not prove to be pivotal in this series. Right now though, every NBA fan I know feels cheated. We feel cheated because two archaic NBA rules will have an direct impact on the outcome of two games in this series. We feel cheated because Horry’s foul becomes one of the most effective goon moves ever and the NBA says with a straight face it’s not about being fair it’s about being correct.
I hope the Suns can win with small ball and if not I hope they can get another game in San Antonio. The Suns big win is lost in this mess and their momentum in the series is destroyed. Game 7 is the only way we’ll see these teams at full strength again. I hope the Suns can adapt and overcome to get there.
Ted Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
If Stu Jackson is interpreting that Amare and Diaw were going to get into a fight than why wouldn’t he interpret that Duncan came onto the court to fight. We all know that was Duncan’s intention. He stepped onto the court looking for a fight!
Horry, a 7th or 8th man on the bench, knew that if he hit Nash hard enough that if might affect his play in the next game. He deliberately took a cheap shot at Nash and is rewarding the Spurs by no applying the Bench rule to both teams.
This adds to the conspiracy theories. The NBA controls the outcome of games and series.
I’m done with the NBA: no more of my time or money will be spent on the NBA! I’m done!!!!!!!!
Jay Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Here’s how I look at it. Would I rather watch both teams play at full-strenth? Yes. But here’s the point: After Horry’s foul, Amare had to be restrained by assistant coaches. What was he going to do? Well, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that he was going to confront Horry. So is his suspension warranted? Yes. As for Diaw, I personally think he shouldn’t have been suspended. Yes he stood up, but seemed to realize the mistake as soon as he did it. As for the Bowen and Duncan being suspension… well, give me a break, they didn’t have to be restrained by anyone. They didn’t try to RUSH onto the court, all they did was stand up. Overall I think the suspension to Amare was warranted, but that Diaw should’ve been given a break. You could also point to the fact that had not D’Antoini and Raja Bell been so dramatic in their response to the hard foul, that the league wouldn’t have considered it a “confrontation.” BTW, I’m a Suns fan, and I while I think it sucks they probably won’t win this series now, I think it’s fair.
Steve Said,
May 15, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Alex… put down the Coors Light and take a look at the series objectively. You honestly think that Stoudemire is a dirty player and “he is just as dirty.. if not more”? You must be from a red state if you think that Amare has intentionally kicked a dunking Spur in the achilles’ and that Amare has knee’d a defender (or an offensive player, but we’ll leave Ginobli out of this for a minute) in the groin. Check your facts before you make biased remarks. And as far as your accusation of acting, Ginobli is so good at acting hurt and flopping that he has his own IMDB page. You’ll probably luck out and maybe in game 5, papa Stern will suspend another referee indefinitely if he makes a bad call on his nerdy boy Duncan. The Spurs are coddled, they’re dirty, and some of their fans apparently spend too much time at the BBQ rather than watching what really happens on the floor. It’s your bedtime, Alex… go back to sleep. Sleep well, Spurs fans… Duncan’s eyes will really pop out — not when he gets called for a foul like usualy — but when he sees Pat Burke warming up on the punching bag before tip off!!! The NBA… it’s fannnntastic!
sep4th Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 12:25 am
a christmas game in next season was decided. no more lakers vs heat. thanks.
Kieron Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:00 am
his suspension ruined a good series, now everyone will either remember this series as if it were the San Antonio spurs being cheap or the suns winning despite all odds, the NBA championship will be tainted if Spurs win it all and i would be upset as a fan of the NBA (and not of either team too, I’m from Toronto)… these suspensions as a whole tainted what i thought was a good sport, its getting worse then soccer, and basketball players are pretending and becoming sly. Real players (like Diaw and STAT even Horry to an extent) should be allowed to show some emotion…because that what sports are about EMOTION, eventually teams will realize that, look at the NFL and NHL there are two sports that know that being a charged with fouls should be taken heavily matter and not just done by the rule book….now i have lost alot of faith in a sport i once loved…. .
Kieron Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:04 am
i actually think the only non dirty player on the Spurs is Tim Duncan…cuz he knows what playing against dirty players is like
icewater21 Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:59 am
Eddie> I’m sorry if i offended you.(at least I guess that’s the reason you did sent me a ‘personal email’.) Anyway, you mention that if Amare and Diaw should get suspended so should Duncan and Bowen for stepping on the court in the second quarter, and yes you are right about that. Remember that I never said that they shouldn’t be suspended or anything. I actually said that rules are rules, in life in basketball for Suns or Spurs players no exception.
And about the personal remarks you acuse me of making…Isn’t it funny that you say that you that ‘i’m a little boy’ …I’m sorry I hurt your feelings…;)
And yes, fly me over…can’t wait to meet you
macbook2.16 Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 2:47 am
Ted > We all know that was Duncan’s intention. He stepped onto the court looking for a fight!
how did you know? there was only nelson lying on the backcourt when duncan stepped into. and what duncan did was looking at nelson. are you telling me he was going to give nelson a punch?
the reason why the two suns got suspended is quite obvious. they were rushing into the floor. i don’t know if they were looking for a fight, but it is possible. their appearance on the floor could make the things worse. This is the rule.
Steve >
talking about acting, steve nash is no worse than ginobili. if not better. “Check your facts before you make biased remarks”. you are the one who need to check the facts.
Bruno Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 3:16 am
This suspension is ridiculous. Besides Cheap Shot Horry, no player should be suspended. David Stern apparently do not know the meaning of “Spirit of the Law” and if the “Letter of the Law” is enforced , I agree with you that Bowen and Duncan should also be suspended.
What makes it even worse is that apparently intentional violence is OK ( like what Heinrich did to Flip Murray or Bowen did to Amare) but stepping in a line is a major sin.
teamusa Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 4:07 am
talk about bias..sheesh….remember what raja bell did to kobe! why didn’t raja get two games suspension…raja is dirty himself!…
nino Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 4:10 am
Horry dished out a terrible foul! Thats for certain. Is he dirty you will have to judge his whole career for that. Bell made an even worse foul on Kobe last year if I remember correctly. I guess he should be called dirty for the rest of his career too! Karl Malone bloodied Isaiah too at one time. He must also be dirty for that one incident.
Stat and Diaw dont deserve to be punished but they broke the rules as the NBA stictly enforces no leaving the bench during an altercation. You just have to remember the detroit and indiana brawl to understand why the NBA will always punish players that leave the bench. Coz when everyone is on the court anything can happen and any crazy fool can start another dangerous rumble to the detriment of the entire league. The 2 suns players lacked poise or control to remember the rules. These are multi-millionaires and should remember their responsibilities to their team. If Duncan and Bowen deserve to be punished coz they broke the rules as the NBA interprets it then so should they. But I think the NBA already decided on that.
However, the next two or three games looks to be a bruising affair unless the refs calls fouls on minimal contact, which would be unfortunate because it nice to watch a real dogfight for what could decide the NBA champion. Just like the Lakers Celtics of the 80s or even the western and eastern conference finals of the 80s and 90s.
Anyway, for me the Suns have to wrest the West from the Spurs who are now older and on their last years before rebuilding. Just as Chicago took it from the Detroit who in turn overwhelmed the aging Celtics. Thats NBA basketball and makes the victories sweeter and more memorable.
This looks set up (intentionally of not) for a game 7. We’ll all enjoy it that much more.
Zane from London Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 5:49 am
Stu Jackson really messed this decision up - Amare and Diaw didn’t throw any punches or even really get involved.
Are they supposed to just sit there when their best player gets smacked over right in front of them, when the game is already over?
Why reward the Spurs for pulling a hatchet job? Unbeleivable.
Theres no point in even having a review board if they are not going to take the circumstances into the equation. I can’t beleive this decision, its given the momentum and probably the series to the Spurs.
icewater21 Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 6:39 am
A lot of you people are infected by the following problem, it’s called ‘the self-confirmation-bias’. You people are only looking for stories and answers that confirm what you already think or what you want to hear.
And i’d like to edit my own post from may 16 1:59.
I wrote that Duncan and Bowen should both be suspened aswell, now I don’t agree with that anymore since there wasn’t an altercation going on at the time they stepped over the line. And if you read the rules the NBA has made, you know that’s what seperates both cases.
Nikkiboy Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 7:39 am
I am Nets fan so basically I have my own struggles to face(Nets down 1-3 against Cavs is a pain) but I do think Amare and Diaw SHOULD be suspended and not drag along Bowen and Duncan. Truly, Horry deserves to be incinerated to dusts for his WWE maneuver against Nash but Amare and Diaw stood up and crossed the borders in the ALTERCATION(just like icewater21 stated). While the Spurs boys stood up in a simple inevitable entaglement.
But I hate to see them out since result of the series if won by Spurs would be in constant discussions even if they do deserve it. This is all Horry’s Fault but I like Horry’s game, it was his extreme lapse of
judgement that I despise.
Don’t get me wrong. I hate the spurs beacuse they defeated Nets in the 2003 Finals(and i never complained, it was a hard-fought series from both teams). I really hate them but not to the point that i will have an extreme lapse of reasoning and judgment.
RJ Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 8:20 am
Congrats to Stu Jackson for making the closest and most interesting series this season lopsided like all the other series …
what a terrible playoff season… I m a big fan of the nba but now I am so disgusted and will not watch another playoff game because I feel I ve been betrayed as a fan.
Stoudemire and Diaw should both be playing tonight their charge off the bench did not aggaravate the situtation and should be overlooked for the sake of the fair game.. rules were made to make the game fair but the instance these rules fail to do so, they should be immediately aborted…
Bruno Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 8:21 am
So Icewater, it’s all James Jones fault. He should have started a fight with Elson when Duncan and Bowen stepped over the line. This way they would have to be suspended. right?
loser from arizona Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 9:09 am
suns sucks looser always complaint what about the dirty things kurt thomas do to tim duncan…….and what about the things they say to the media to get the attention of the ref c’mon the real dirty team are the suns looser always complaint when they see they cant beat the foes
David Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 9:17 am
This discussion really seems to span the whole spectrum from educated to just plain fanaticism huh? First of all, I’m really impressed, Eddie, that a former player takes the time to read all of these posts and replies to everyone just so people understand where he’s coming from. You have to admit, how many players do that? (OK, Eddie, Dee Brown, Mark Madsen and Paul Shirley, but how many more?)
That’s aside from the point. I agree with Robert Sarver. He says that he will abide by the ruling and agrees with it insomuch as it does follow the rules of the NBA. But it is a shame that it seems to punish the Suns more strictly than the Spurs. Credit thecoaching staff for doing an excellent job of holding everybody back in a crowd. Yes, Amare and Boris left the bench, but they never really made it anywhere near the ruckus. Perhaps some re-wording of the rule book is in order, “If a player leaves the bench to engage in the altercation.”
Since I’m already commenting, I’ll write a long post. The next point is in regard to Bruce Bowen (the other big topic, it seems). I would hate to be guarded by the guy because he’s always active, and always moving. Now, because of that he’s always on the edge of control, which is how he finds himself under people on jump shots, or on their Achilles. Two days ago I was playing pickup with my brother at Carleton University (shameless plug — but winning the CIS tournament 5 years in a row is something to be proud of) and one guy in the gym was all over the place on offence. How many charges are ever taken in pick-up, but I took 2 and my brother took 1 on this guy. I switch off to guard him (giving up 6 inches, but he wasn’t so strong) and it was everything I could do to keep his elbows from smashing me in the face every time he made a move. The thing is, he didn’t mean to hurt me (until he got pissed off that i) we beat his team 6 times in a row and ii) I started jamming his elbows as they were flying at me), he just didn’t play with control.
So if I’m any number of NBA players I have to think, first, damn, I’m getting paid millions, I should put half as much effort into defense as Bruce Bowen. And secondly, I agree with an Amare Stoudamire because there are many unspoken rules in any league, and I’m sure one is that if you’re going to step out onto the court, make sure you play with enough control that nobody else gets hurt. This is your livelihood. Since Bowen’s has a history of being there for a number of fluke accidents I can’t fault Amare for being annoyed, though I have to admit I don’t think Bowen is being “dirty” on purpose.
Now don’t get me started on my Manu Ginobili rant… Cheers, guys.
n8theglad Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 9:32 am
So apparently icewater is conforming to his own bias. Try calling things as they are instead of trying to philosophize. Bowen is a cheap shot and was called on it, then performed his art and the league basically did nothing. Unbelievable. Horry has a great legacy but he threw it all away with one swipe of his lazy self. Stern is just setting things up to get the most money out of the playoffs. If he was going for fairness he would have suspended Duncan, he was off his bench but that would foil his own desires. The NBA is going to hell in a hand basket and its all because of the bias of Stern’s love of $ and his inattention to the word fair.
Giacomo Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 9:41 am
hello all.
i few small observations on my part;
-is macbook 2.16 mentally handicapped? “steve nash is no worse than ginobili. if not better. “Check your facts before you make biased remarks”. you are the one who need to check the facts.”
what facts did you put forward to support your argument? haha, none at all! now, i know i have no facts to back me up but i think it is a generally accepted fact that ginobili is one of the biggest actors in the L. and to say that nash faked it is ludicrous!!! he got flipped!
- secondly, as a law student i understand that you must interpret law with my respect to the circumstances involved. i am not saying whether stat and diaw should or shouldnt be suspended, im just saying…
anyway peace
icewater21 Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Bruno> so you are implying that Horry bumped into Nash because he knew Stoudamire and Diaw would step onto the court?
If he knew that he might aswell change his name into Nostradamus…
It’s just really simple; Diaw and Stoudemira did something they weren’t suppose to do. So they get suspened, just like Horry who did something that was stupid too.
nino Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 9:53 am
I agree with icewater although its tough to help out the erring team. But rules are the rules. This wasnt the first time a player from the suns was intentionally fouled hard. Given what was at stake their players and coaches should have the presence of mind to keep away from the the altercation so as to avoid the suspension and any escalation. It seems the rules state that there has to be an altercation so Bowen and Duncan wont be suspended.
Its seems unfair but if the rules clearly state that then they should be followed. Although, this rule should be reviewed. I think mature players would have avoided getting themselves in that situation given the recent brawls in the NBA. An all out brawl would be infinitely worse.
Last year the dallas still won despite losing the game with the terry suspension. Even if the suns lose game 5 they can still take the series given the way they played, but now the spurs must be favored if they win game 5.
Spurs in 6.
Utah must be thrilled watching these two teams kill each other. Iam this is old school basketball!
david Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 10:12 am
I am a Spurs fan, yet I don’t think Amare and Boris should have been suspended. Let’s look at this series : Nash bloodies his nose after HE collides with Parker (and the Spurs are dirty?). Duncan hits Amare’s leg and cries (and the Spurs are dirty?). Bowen hit Nash in the groin (Nash didn’t seem to have a problem with it and the Spurs are dirty)> Marion hits Manu , draws blood and a black eye and no foul (and the Spurs are dirty).
Horry gave a cheap shot and he should be suspended. Here is what was not addressed : his 2nd suspension was for hitting Bell, who hit him first. Raja should be sitting, not the other 2.
What Nash was doing on the court was pick and roll, then holding the other guy (VERY sly). Look at the replays : he grabs Manu and Marion has a clear path to the basket for the go-ahead basket. Also look at the free throws — Suns 29 Spurs 14. Duncan was driving all game and 2 of his fouls were “offensive” — tell me Manu is a better flopper than Raja ????
Hey, this has been a gritty series — both teams want it bad. Personally I think Phoenix will win it tonite — teams usually step it up at times like this.
As far as “dirty” — c’mon. The Spurs for years have been labelled “soft”. When Jason Terry punched Bowen in teh nuts last year, no one said Dallas was dirty. When Kobe elbowed Manu (and one other guy), no one said the Lakers were dirty.
Get a life !
Al Gunn Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 10:33 am
now from a bussiness stand point i would have to say that stu’s decision to have Amare and boris suspended for one game is just a joke. i do know as a canadian i love watching nash play but i imagian the ratings for game 5 will be bad i am not watching. how can i the reefs have allready decided who wins, and david stern loves it.
P-Nak Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 11:04 am
I am done with the NBA. When I see a dirty team rewarded for an incredibly dirty play, it makes me sick. I have seen Robert Horry hit so many big shots in his career. And, I thought he was worthy of his title, “Big Shot Bob.” If the Spurs go on and win this series and proceed to win the Championship, then Robert Horry will forever be known as “Cheap Shot Bob” to me.
Matt Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Sorry David, but there is no way the Spurs are not a dirty team. I’m not saying that all the players are dirty, but it is obvious that a select few are not playing the game the way it was intended to be played. Video evidence proves it. There’s one thing to play hard nose basketball, like the spurs of a few years ago, but now san antonio is playing down right dirty.
Suns will win the series in 7, due to bad Karma by the Spurs!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 11:23 am
“David” must be David Stern considering the points he made and the ramifications of each “incident” and “altercation”. Come on, you know Stern loves the Spurs - he indefinitely suspended a veteran official because he picked on poor Timmy Duncan. “David” Stern obviously sees the series the way “David” stated above - an knee to the groin is excusable, okay’ing the never-heard-before-now “Duncan hits Amare’s leg and cries” “incident”, the achilles’ shot from Bowen, and of course, the Horryble check into the boards. By god, “David” Stern SHOULD be outraged - not by those Spurs’ actions mentioned previously, but he should be outraged that two “men” (keep in mind, one’s from France) strayed from the bench a good 10 feet too far. What is the world coming to?
Come on, David… nobody has ever heard of your claims that Duncan hit Amare’s legs and cried, or that Bell hit Horry. I would love to see where you are getting this because I haven’t seen either. And the league/media was talking about how dirty Jason Terry was last year (Phx fans already knew this as Terry is from UofA).
The truth of the matter is that I agree that the Suns have made too much of what has happened throughout this series - until the Horryble “altercation” - and let a little physical play get in their heads. Prior to game 4, the fouls were called fairly evenly (65-62)and the Spurs didn’t get as many calls as Suns fans believed they got. But the limit was reached with the unfair suspensions handed out that will likely change the course of the series - who wants to see teams play without 2 of their best players? David, nice try to change what really happened to make your point. Like I said earlier, Spurs fans LIKE DAVID need to stay off the Coors Light and away from the BBQ’s… and watch the game objectively.
david Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
for Steve …next time I need to proof what I write (I saw that I wrote Duncan instead of Bowen right after I hit “submit” — my bad).
As far as David Stern, most think here de doesn’t favot the Spurs because of the small market status. I actually heard him say in Italy (Milan when the Spurs played in the McDonalds games in 1999) that if San Antonio didn’t build a new facility he would force a move of the team). Remember last year when we had to play Game 1 against Dallas 36 hours after beating the Kings ?
Hey, I just heard that there was a bomb threat at the hotel the Spurs are staying at in Phoenix.
By the way,I hate Coors LIght. As far as being objective, I totally think the Suns deserved game 4. They executed in teh last 3 minutes and the Spurs did not. I am more amused by the ay our image has changed over the years.
Mike Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Man, i was never a fan of the Spurs but i respected their championship pedigree. After this entire series, i HATE the Spurs. It seems like when they’re on the receiving end of the whooping, they send out their ‘enforcer’ to do something about it. I remembered Bowen provoking Carter in a game that looked like the Nets were going to win in the fourth quarter. Highlights clearly showed Bowen leaving his foot underneath. N now, with the Suns series. Bowen should be punished severely. These couldve been career ending injuries that Bowen can cause. N now, Horry’s taken over Bowen’s role as an ‘enforcer’…Even if the Spurs win this year, they have lost my respect for years to come n gosh…for once the league has done a horrible deed to a team that deserves to win. The league is simply promoting unsportmanslike behavour. Take out the best player on a team n u still can get away with it.
Lars Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
As much as I think the Spurs have an advantage, tonight’s game may be very close. The Spurs have yet to have an advantage when the Suns resize and go small. Also, It would not surprise me if Duncan sees more FT attempts, not necessarily from rough play from Phoenix but the use of more bodies. I expect a very tough game for the Spurs and an even tougher series the rest of the way. I also believe that we need to realize that two things come into play the rest of the way:
1) It is always works this way when dethroning a major contender (Bulls/Pistons, Spurs/Lakers). Things seem to go in the favor of the Alpha team.
2) This Series is all tied. Even though SA has broken the tie twice (1-0 lead and 2-1 lead), the Suns have come right back with great performances. A blowout game two and a come from behind victory game 4.
Lars from the A
Steve Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
David… sorry about coming off a little strong in my earlier post. You touched on something that has completely boggled my mind - the small market vs. big market comparison. As Phoenix has cited anytime the Lakers get what-we-see-as preferential treatment, we immediately go to that argument. However, we lean on that excuse in the current series as Phx has a much bigger media market and larger population. It amazes me that the league would pull the trigger on Amare and Boris considering that plus the much-talked-about “style” of play Phx offers. It would be very interesting to see how this situation would play out if it had been a team from Chicago, New York, or Los Angeles involved. I wonder if they would have stuck to their “the rules are the rules” line if that were to happen. I’m boggled because I’m surprised the Suns didn’t receive preferential treatment due to their market size, and also because I would gladly take the treatment even though I would be against it if it involved any other team than Phx. Go figure… and I try to be objective.
Let’s hope for e good game 5 and I truly hope that the Suns lack of size isn’t as big of disadvantage as it seems it could be. Personally, I see Phx losing this game, HOWEVER… because of the chip factor (chip on their shoulder), I could see them pulling out game 6. Who knows what will happen in a game 7.
Matt Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Where you at Eddie?
Please drop some knowledge on us about the Horry controversy! From my point of view, the series could go either way about right now. I truly feel due to the circumstances of game 4, that the suns will take the momentum for the rest of the series.
Guarantee a game 7!!
ballin Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Tim Duncan wasn’t suspended because there wasn’t an “Altercation” at the time. If that was the case, then why would he stand up and walk on the court? The fact is, there was some sort of dispute between two players on the court, and he was on the bench at the time but stepped onto it the court, he broke the rule regardless of how the NBA decides to spin it.
Regardless of anyone’s bias, I don’t know how anyone watching the NBA over this season and the last few seasons can’t help but be disappointed in how these situations always seem to go down. It seems like over the last few years the refs are having more impact than the players, and judgements coming from the top always seem to sway things in one direction or another. Basketball is a contact sport, there is no way of getting around that unless you want to play HORSE or do dunk contests all day. Why not let men play it out and let the winner be chosen on the court?
As far as the whole discussion about flopping, anyone saying Steve Nash “flopped” or dramatized the hit that Horry gave him is obviously a biased Spurs fan. The guy is running full force in one direction and gets hit by a guy 50+lbs bigger than him so hard that he goes flying into a different direction into a table. The laws of physics prove that he wasn’t “flopping”. Manu though…his act combined with the league’s stupid inconsistancy with the charge call is what is killing the entertainment value for anyone who loves to watch real basketball. Manu works more on tricking the refs into making the call for him than he does on actually playing the game. I really hope the league wises up and puts some measures in place to prevent bs like that from continuing in the future, it will completely ruin the game. I really can’t stand watching him play, everytime he gets touched he acts like he need is going to need a gurney to get off the court. In all of the places I’ve played pickup ball, and all the basketball games I’ve ever played, if you pulled that bs you would be either laughed off the court, or kicked off.
david Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Steve, no problem. This is not life and death — it’s basketball. (until I had kids this was the most important thing in my life — that’s changed).
I think the SPurs will lose tonite, pull out Game 6. Then anything goes.
Jiggy Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Big shot Horry comes through again. Spurs had to foul to stop the clock and Horry gave Nash a lil bump, but Nash was goin to fast and Nash flew. Spurs are playin like a veteran/championship team. They play tough mentally and physically, thats playoff basketball. Its not Horrys fault that Amare and Boris passed the line. Suns betta play like men in the NBA or they are betta off in the WNBA. Again Horry is smart and knows how to win a game physically and mentally, just ask the bad boys of Detroit back in da days where they use to chump Jordan. Im out like Amare and Boris.
dwADE Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
i CAN HONESTLY SAY i AM A HARCORE nba FAN BUT THIS RULES ARE SICKENING ME.i MEAN bRUCE BOWEN KNEES nASH IN THE GROIN AND IS CALLED FOR JUST A FOUL ON THE OTHER HAND hORRY CRASHES POOR nASH TO THE FLOOR AND WHEN sTOUDEMIRE AND dIAW GO TO CHECK ON nASH THEY GEY GET SUSPENDED.i MEAN AM NOT THE SMARTEST GUY BUT THAT MAKES TOTALLY NO SENSE TO ME.fIRE dAVID sTERN nOW FOR nba’S GOOD OWN SAKE.
Robert Horry Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Sorry about that foul guys, Pops didn’t tell me to do it, I was just frustrated. If it were up to me, Amare and Diaw wouldn’t have been suspended, but the NBA follows strict rules, so too bad for them.
steve Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Funny how PHX fans just forget about Marions fingernails in Manu’s face or undercuting Elson. You guys are no better. Just a bunch of whiners.
Chantana Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
how can u suspend 2 starters in a semifinal series? especially when you’re playing against the spurs. what else would Amare and Diaw do when their captain and 2 time MVP crashes into the scorer’s table, Stu Jackson should’ve just fined the 2 players under the circumstances at stake.
Chantana Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
oh and Jiggy if u saw the replay on that Horry play u would kno why the league hit him with a 2 game suspension - a FLAGRANT 2, that’s not physical basketball. And if the spurs played tough mentally they wouldnt have lost the game.
LBJ Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
No matter what team you like you have to admit that the league messed up on this one!!! We’ve seen Bowen knee Nash…okay maybe you can argue Nash was in his space some. Well we’ve also seen Bowen kick Stat in the back of the leg….I don’t know what excuse you can use for that one. Now two guys get suspended for getting off the bench?! That is just plain stupid. It makes no sense. Especially when you take note that Duncan and Bowen came off the bench and walked on too the court after Jones and Elson exchanged words. If you’re going to suspend Diaw and Amare. Have Tim and Bruce sit two and then may the best team win!!
steve Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Who is this eddie johnson clown making obnixous replys to emails? dont believe your address wont get out its a lie
Carnell Said,
May 16, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Let’s put this in perspective. The league is known to be inconsistent on how
they dicipline people. However in this case, it was correct. Duncan & Bowen, no altercation. That’s why they are playing. Diaw, Amare, altercation, that’s why they aren’t playing. The rule is clear & has been in place for many years.
If you went by how you guys are looking at it, then every time there is a highlight film dunk or big play and players jump off the bench and step on the court while they are celebrating, then they should be suspended to, the way you’re looking at it, Right?
Also look at it this way. Suspension on Horry too hefty. Why? He got 2 games for what he did, but last year Raja Clothes lined Kobe and Raja got 1 game. Which what Raja did was worse. That’s why I say the league inconsistant on the penalties. At any rate, the league did the right thing with Diaw, Amare, Duncan, & Bowen.
The good "Steve" Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Spurs are a dirty team, if they didn’t have Timmy D they couldn’t run with the suns and that’s the truth!! And if you can’t pay attention to Eddie you’re a fool. His been there and he knows his shit. Most people think before they talk……..Steve (rep the name a lil better!!) Also I’m sick of people saying how good the spurs are, Dallas are good and look where they ended up lol (they didn’t play dirty).Bowen wont be the defensive player of the year cause anyone can play dirty!! Ray Allen complained and he was right.. YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE!! Horry should give someone else a go! (Retire)!
Simple question: what do you do when you can’t beat them with skill??
: You try to take out the best player and get the team suspended… ludicrous at its best!!!!
Jim F Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Horry is a two-bit, has-been punk. Where does he get off knocking around the league’s MVP anyway? Notice he doesn’t look to take out his frustrations on opposing forwards or centers, but on Nash who is half his size. I don’t want the NBA to end up with a reputation like the NHL for fights, but if I were an owner or coach of the Suns, you can be certain there would be a hefty bounty on Horry’s head, lasting into next year if that is what it takes for his deserved payback. When is the last time Horry took it strong to the hole or fought in the trenches with the big boys under the hoop for a rebound? PUNK! (Note to Webster’s…Please include a photo of Robert Horry next to the word Punk in your next edition’s dictionary!)
Stu Jackson Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 8:54 am
hmmmmm about bruce bowen kicking or kneeing steve’s groin if you have a very high basketball IQ you will be able to see that nash did not gave bowen a room for him to move his feet and was lucky that he was able to have that call if you know what im talking about….about amare and boriz diaw thier action could have made the biggest brawl in nba playoff history……
Aaron Ray Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 9:46 am
Wow this is a hot topic. I’m neither a fan of the Spurs or Suns though I do like Duncan and Kurt Thomas. Anyways, I’ll probably get jumped on for this but I don’t think the foul for Horry was that bad. Yeah he’s 50 lbs heavier, so obviously Nash is gonna bounce off him, but if you look, only Nash’s arm hit the PADDED TABLE and then he lay’s there like he got punched in the face, nah man, Steve Nash over reacted on that shit, then he wanted to get up and fight after the refs were settling things down. Come on Nash what you gonna do to Horry. Yeah defend yourself but him fighting Horry is like me fighting Shaq, not a good outcome for me. As for Stoudemire and Diaw getting suspended. Rules are rules, you can change the at the end of a season or before a season, but can’t change it in the middle. It sucks for the Suns but hey it happend to the Knicks, and the lost 5 key players while the Heat lost one. Was that fair? No, because it was PJ Brown who threw Charlie Ward, (who never hurt anybody throughout his career) into the crowd. The Knicks could have won the Championship with the team they had that year but no. So hey, if Amare and Diaw can’t stay on the bench like they should then they should get suspended. The rule was put in place to prevent fights from getting bigger than they already are. If that rule wasn’t in place, then the coaches wouldn’t have stopped Amare and Diaw from getting involved, and you know Amare would have gone in swinging. So I believe the rule should stay. You have to think about things from both angles, look at the big picture. Yeah, the Spurs only loose Horry, who numbers wise doesn’t match up with Amare and Diaw, but Horry is “Big Shot Rob” and is a tall perimeter defender that puts the Spurs at a Disadvantage. The whole thing could have been prevented had Nash not run into Horry, are you telling me the 2 time MVP could have crossed over and gone in a different direction instead of running the baseline when he was already cutoff….the whole point of him having the ball is to take time off the clock. Come on now, Nash brought that upon himself. Yeah it was a hard foul, but I’ve seen harder. Also, Horry got shoved in the back on the last rebound which he could have easily had, but the refs missed that one, so obviously Horry’s gonna give a hard foul back. Hey take it as it is. EJ what do you think? Who’s gonna win?
david Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Nice take from Aaron. I really thought the Suns would win last night — why don’t they play 14m(?)a year Jalen Rose ??
Sports isn’t fair. It wasn’t “fair” for the Spurs to lose 3 years ago to Derek Fisher’s .4 catch - turn- shoot shot. It wasn’t fair for Manu to be called for a phantom foul at the end of regulation in Game 7 against Dallas last year.
Good teams play thru this kind of stuff, win or lose, and don’t whine. Say what y’all want about the Spurs, but they don’t whine (off the court — every one of these guys whines like a baby ON the court — no exceptions!)
Pointblizzy Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 10:55 am
Thanks a lot Dave Stern and Stu Jackson…You’ve ruined another great series.
If this boneheaded commisioner can’t even select the correct game ball (a friggin rubber foam b-ball???) without the consent of his players/employees, what makes you think that his decision in the Amare/Boris suspensions were fair???
JZ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Amare and Diaw can blame themselves….they CHOSE to leave the bench. Nobody put a gun to their head. Even if Nash was hurt what are they gonna do? Provide medical attention? Amare couldn’t apply a band-aid if his life depended on it. There was no reason for them to leave the bench….ZERO. Horry made a stupid play and should’ve been suspended and was. If you guys want to blame anybody…blame Amare and Diaw for a lack of self control.
Arthur Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Eddie,
I 100% disagree with you again. I am so glad that this series is going to be won by the right team. The last thing this league needs is some soft, small team winning it all. Why don’t we make the league a six foot and under league where defense is illegal? That will be the result of the Suns winning a title. Bravo to the Spurs for finally showing the Suns what REAL basketball is about.
Eddie Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Arthur
You are so right. The Spurs play basketball the way it was meant to be played. Walk it up, throw it in to one player while the others stand around and watch and then if he can’t score or is double teamed throw it out for a three point shot. Then on defense Hold and grab, knee players in the balls, kick their Achilles and slam them into a sideline scoreboard. I have been advocating this for sometime. I hate the fluid running and jumping with great unselfish passing the Suns employ. It is so boring to watch Amare jump over people and slam on their head. I hate watching Steve Nash break down defenses with unselfish passing. James Naismith did not not envision basketball the way the Suns play Arthur. We on this board should advocate you for commisioner. Great post! LOL.
Immortal Technique Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
This is B.S. Bowen should have been suspended for his intentional attempted trip on Stoudamire…cause if I fire a gun and your headshot and miss I would still be charged with attempted murder…especially a player that is good but sometimes takes it overboard…Stu Jackson is a loser but then again maybe he is doing this so that they will eventually remove Dave Stern from suspension decision making becasue apparently he wants a ex player and a referee to make these decisions. So here goes that B.S way of thinking that the end may justify the means but in turn screw Pheonix at a chane of going to the conference finals.
JZ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Ummmm yeah after reading “Eddie’s” last post it sounds more like there’s a 16 year old trying to repond to posts. Since when does a grown man who is affiliated with a professional sports team talk like that? And on a public site? Classy!
LBJ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Only a person that is NOTa true sports fan would see this as right way to handle this situation. As a fan of the NBA, NFL, and a little MLB this was terrible. As a person who plays sports this was terrible. The Suns played with and showed a ton of heart. But to practically gift wrap a game for the Spurs is wrong. Of course if you’re a SA fan or player you have to take the win. But for me I would never want a team I play on or cheer for to win in that manner. That’s like challenging a guy to one on one when I know he just rolled his ankle. I’m going to give him time to heal then we’ll play. It appears that the Spurs can’t win without some huge advantage. And even then they squeek by with a 3 point win?! Wow!
LBJ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Eddie is just speaking the truth. There’s no need for jargon or an attempt to sound like some sort of “basketball dr.” Eddie is like one of the guys. He’s not hidding out somewhere trying to hide from our questions. You have to admit even if you’re not a Suns fan. Bowen has done worse than Amare and Boris have done combined. With his history he gets nothing in the way of a punishment? It makes no sense at all?! I play basketball 2-3 days a week and I’ve played for years at the gyms, playgrounds, parks, and some in jr high and high school. But I’ve never seen anyone stop, plant, and kick a guy in the calf as he was going in for a score.
JZ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
I will say the NBA has been all over the place when it comes to their punishments. How does Baron Davis drill Derek Fisher in the side of his head and get no suspension? The rule itself of leaving the bench is smart but it needs to be tweaked…obviously. Last year’s playoffs and this years have left me with disappointment from the way the officiating and league have handled things. I am less and less an NBA fan.
Eddie Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
JZ
What was unclassy about that sir? Did i mention anything out of the ordinary? give me a break. Look the reason i even respond to some of you guys is because i am giving you the benefit of the doubt. You should be happy that i even respond to some of the infantile remarks i read. I like educating sports fans and giving them a view from 30 years of experience. JZ if you don’t like what i say then adios to you sir. I could care less about your feelings. If you don’t believe me, then go to my web site and read the testimony about my arguing tactics on my blog. http://WWW.JUMPSHOTCLUB.COM . I love sports and i will argue my point to the end. Prove me wrong and i will reward you with your name on my site. JZ if you are bothered by my response then i would like to ask the whole board to give JZ a hug. As Eddie Murphy would say. “don’t be so sensitive” (-:
JZ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
There’s kids that get on here and you talk about hitting somebody in the “balls”? Can’t you be more professional? Get over yourself. I don’t come here to read your stuff I enjoy reading what other people have to say that aren’t quite so biased.
JZ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
Eddie-
Don’t get me wrong….you were pretty good when you were in the league….if I read your article sometimes you are pretty insightful….other times you say stuff that boggles my mind. Lately you seem more and more biased that’s all.
Aaron Ray Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
JZ then don’t come here, you choose to come here, and if the kids parents allow them to roam the internet without checking the sites they’re going to then hey, they obviously don’t care enough. Honestly why would you argue with a guy about his own blog. Do you have nothing better to do then aruge with EJ. EJ was being sarcastic with that comment, if you can’t tell that he was trying to imitate some of the absolutely ridiculous posts on this website then maybe you shouldn’t be allowed on the internet. Anyways back to basketball, basketball is a physical game, guys have been doing things like hold and shove and step on ankles for years, its tactics, yeah you can view it as dirty, but its still a part of the game. David Stern, as much as I dislike his suspension decision making, is not handing the series over to the Spurs, the Suns still have Nash, and Marion, Kurt Thomas, Leondro Barbosa and Raja Bell, that is more than enough talent to win this series, thats more talent alone then some teams have on their whole team. I’m sick of Sun fans crying about this series…need I remind you that you all played very well last year without Amare. Play some actual defense and maybe you’ll get somewhere. The Spurs beat the Suns twice while you had Amare and Diaw, are you saying that the Spurs couldn’t do it again. What makes the Suns so invincible with Amare and Diaw. I think Amare is a great athlete, very fun to watch, I don’t believe he should have been a First Team All-NBA selection, maybe 2nd or 3rd. Anyways, this series is still a great series and both teams are still giving it their all. Stop complaining about the little things and let the series play out.
JZ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Aaron-
I can express my opinions just like him. Need a tissue? You seem pretty upset….take it easy bud. I totally agree with what you said regarding the series….both teams are playing hard. Its really not that physical when you look at it but the Suns are pretty soft and so they cry a lot….but then again all teams cry about stupid stuff. I say shut up and play and quit crying to the media about suspension and minimal physical play.
omar Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
what are you saying if they get suspened or not the spurs will win the series anyway beacuse they are the better team and bell and all his teammates are the biggest flopers ever. and if nash is the mvp then why does he need amare to play. fuck the suns
LBJ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
The NBA says they want to reduce the number of fights….so okay you implement rules. But how is getting off of the bench more dangerous than the play that initiates the whole thing?! The team that starts it should pay the bigger price. Don’t give a worse punishment to someone responding to a dirty play. Especially when them getting off the bench did not result in more problems. If I was on that bench I would’ve reacted to.What message does that send?
LBJ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Imagine being at work and all of a sudden you see your coworkers start running out of the building. You know it’s not right to be running around inside the building but you’d probably get up and run too and ask questions later.
LBJ Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
A TOUCH OF GRAY
Both NBA commissioner David Stern and vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson said there is no gray area in the NBA’s interpretation of its “leaving the bench” rule * but the league has shown flexibility due to extenuating circumstances in the past.
For more coverage of Phoenix sports,
be sure to visit eastvalleytribune.com
In October of 2002, several members of the Sacramento Kings left their bench after a fight between Sacramento’s Doug Christie and Rick Fox of the Lakers resumed in the players tunnel during an exhibition game.
Fox was suspended for six games and Christie sat for two, but the league excused the players who left the bench, citing unusual circumstances.
“Our rule regarding an automatic suspension for players leaving was not intended to apply in a highly unusual situation like this one, where an altercation occurs in an access tunnel or hallway,” Jackson said at the time. “In this circumstance, our judgement was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.
At the time, Christie said, “I was glad the commissioner saw fit to understand, not just react.”
cody Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
When are the Suns going to quit crying and play basketball. They are like the last piggie. Cry Cry Cry all the way home. How do you go from the softest team to the bad guys in 30 mins? Bowen and the Spurs will shut anyone down because they know how to play defense. Cheap Shots?
that is funny. Keep cryin you can’t hang with the Spurs. Great acting jobs.
BIG SHOT BOB Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
SPURS WIN SERIES…..4-2….SPURS WILLL GO ALL THE WAY AND WIN EVERYTHING……4-2 ON THE SUNS….4-2 VS JAZZ….4-1 VS. CAVS….ITS ALL OVER….STOP COMPLANING…SUNS FANS ARE JUST MAD BECAUSE THE SPURS HAVE OLD GUYS AND THEY STILL WORKING HARDER AND FASTER…TIM DUNCAN….FINALS MVP…
SAN ANTONIO SPURS CHAMPS 06-07…
HOLLLLAAAA
drawingjeremy Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
I am neither a Suns nor a Spurs fan, but completely agree with the sentiment of this post. I understand why the NBA claims to want to be inflexible about the rules, but as LJB points out they have been flexible on this rule… and, if they weren’t going to be it was completely unfair to not suspend Duncan and Bowen for the earlier departure from the bench if they were going to divy out punishments to the Suns for the same offenses later in the game, especially given the circumstances… basically, not a balanced punishment for the two sides given the infractions at hand.
At this point it is unlikely that the Suns will advance, though I (like much of the country) am now routing for them to send the Spurs home in a tough two games. I think that this was extremely unfair to a team that I think was about to truly earn their spot in the NBA finals. Fine if you want to issue suspensions but issue them to all of the players who left the bench during the game or don’t suspend anyone. Had Bowen and Duncan been suspended for a game the Suns would have killed them last night.
Carnell Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Arhtur, I’m with you. I don’t like small ball either. Eddie, I’ve told you before, there’s nothing wrong with having one or two dominant players on your team that demand a double or triple team and having good shooters make the defenders pay for the double or triple team. I like seeing big guys play in the post. You know what, you can still get all the dunks on people’s head & alley ooops, breaking D down, and unselfish passing with a dominant player or two on the team. See Shaq & Kobe, Shaq & Wade, Duncan & Robinson, Magic & Kareem…..that all can be done & win a title. Small ball has yet to do it & many people just not feeling the Suns & Warriors. Leave that play over seas where it belongs, lets seperate the men from the boys with great big men & good post play, with good shooting around them. That’s good basketball!!!I’d watch that over small ball any day.
It's like I Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
Robert Whorey. I don’t like his jerk off face, don’t like his jerk off name, I don’t like his jerk off game, and I don’t like him, jerk off.
ray Said,
May 17, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
come on, this is a great series, its like the celtics and the lakers, almost. didn’t they used to say that larry bird was dirty. its a
different style of play. i like the contrast. i hope it goes seven games, nash might be too much in the end. horry just lost his cool
like zidane in the world cup. and can’t say that ginobilli is not a
solid player, and yes argentians do like to flop, but so do players like
shane battier, etc. hey, eddie, who’s better walt frazier, and willis reed , or steve nash, and amare?
LAST WORD Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 2:20 am
b/c I’ve been working too much of late and am just catching up now, this topic is a few days old but I guess I get to have LAST WORD. yessss!
Whatever the points, they are what they are. Points can be debated equally. It’s just some people here don’t know how to prove their point and usually divert going on other tangents just so that they can talk more.
I do like EJ’s articles b/c of the insights he gives. He sticks to arguing points. It’s nice and refreshing, considering the alternative is to read articles from journalist/writers who for the most part are armchair jockies. Just like you and I. We can analyze the hell out of something but real world experience (in this case NBA) its hard to come by. I also like it b/c EJ provides insights that I can actually stand, I can’t sit through a TNT telecast at half time show, can anyone?? Or listen to anything that Greg Anthony says or writes about. Now Barkley is funny and he’s golden, but on an analytical base him and kenny are just hard to watch. Compare NFL telecasts to NBA (but that’s another point). It’s like senior squad playing freshmans.
On the point of bias, remember that everyone is bias especially the armchair fans that read this site. How about bias to a good game? does that make sense? and please he used to play for the suns where he got sixth man. I know he does really well on being objective, but for the argument of bias, everyone always is. Just like all referees will be biased even if its a tiny bit. Just like how i like brunettes, but when the goggles are on they’re on.
On the point of being professional?? It’s a BLOG! And a comment section! It’s not the real writing part. Off the cuff style and authenticity is what makes blogs popular. Google the top CEO blogs, trust me, not that professional, they hardly use spell check. And talking about kids reading profane material? You do know this is the internet, right??
Anyways theres other ridiculous points but I’m just happy i got the last word.
LéGuy Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 4:08 am
2 Carnell: I would prefer reading any comment over yours every day… I would say one think about Spurs… BOOORRRIN!!! (maybe except Manu and TP)… But Timmy “I will never show my smile” Duncan has nuttin to do with the word fun… NBA bball is developin, it will never stay in one era, even T-MAC+Yao duo doesnt work the way it should… NBA bbal made another step…adjust or lose yourself:)
BTW Amare is more of a dominant post player than Timmy and just b-cuz Rob Horry made “cheap shot” the dominance was sittin at home.
And I have a question for yo… Have you ever seen any european bball game? I guess u didnt… Cuz talkin about small “run&gun” ball in Europe… That makes me smile:) U make me smile:) So better watch how u talk when u talk about it.. THANX
Onur Tuncaboylu Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 4:23 am
Entering the court of Amare and Diaw wasn’t Robert’s foul, it’s Suns’ players’ silly behave.
Aaron Ray Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 7:50 am
Wow Robert Whorey…..so clever….oh and you used the words jerk off 4 times…..wow. JZ did I ever sniffle or start to tear…….? No I didn’t I just think its ridiculous that you come on to a basketball blog and talk about little kids. Anyways, Spurs in 6?
Lars Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I thought this was a good environment to air your thoughts but it seems this is more mud slinging. Bottom line, this is a 7 game series, and they play 7 so that the absolute best team wins regardless of the circumstances. The Spurs won 2 out of 3 games with no asterisks. Therefore, if the Suns are the better team they should have won those. This whole dirty thing was created by one individual and it’s ludicrous. Perhaps you all need to watch the East’s playoffs sometime to be reminded of what playoff basketball is and should be. Each team has dished out their fair share of blows and the BEST team will win the series. Forget all the other stuff, the Suns had their chances to be in the driver’s seat. You blew out the Spurs in game 2 why not bring the same level of intensity for game 3? You guys are soft and there is no other way to put it. YOU WANT THE RING AND NOT THE ROUGH? Get out of here. In the words of Chauncey Billups, “if it ain’t rough, it ain’t right.”
Lars from the A
Arthur Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Eddie,
Wow, what a response. You know as well as I do that Amare is a product of the genius that is Steve Nash. Amare is a poor man’s
Shawn Kemp, nothing more, nothing less. Steve Nash is a great player but he is given the benefit of the doubt when he dribbles
around endlessly starting and stopping and forcing people to either foul him or not defend him. Don’t get me wrong, I do enjoy the
way that the Suns play but I do think that the league is better served by having a champion who excels in multiple aspects of the
game. I do not like the Spurs style of offense but I find the Suns “UNLV” style just as annoying. A team should have one great
perimeter player and a post player who can actually play in the post. Phoenix does not have that. They have a guy who has limited
basketball IQ running around and dunking like he is an And1 superstar. I am a reasonable guy who knows the game, I am curious to
read your response to this.
pillophyte Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Blah the hell blah!!! Let’s just say for a moment, and I mean a MOMENT that Horry’s shot was indeed “cheap.” Please answer this question honestly: Why did an altercation ensue? Was it because a) Horry attacked Raja Bell; b) Horry pounced on Nash while he was still on the ground and began kicking him senseless; c) The Suns lost control and tried to retaliate against Horry?
That’s what I thought.
Try to remember that this is the playoffs; tempers flair, hard fouls occur. If you want to blame someone, blame Bell and Nash for starting the altercation that provoked Amare and company to jump into. Horry committed a foul. If Nash and Bell had kept their cool, we would not even be having this discussion. Got it? Good.
niwdle Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
i guess suns fans can’t accept failure from their own team… how many does your team led by wide margin and they weren’t able to capitalize on it and you blame it all on the referees and the spurs… true that some calls dont go all your way but the suns beat themselves by taking every call that is not in favor of them which ultimately lead to a disappointing loss… dude there are a lot of videos i’ve seen that bowen doing dirty tricks but for me its just a coincidence and i dont see the intention from the player to hurt someone… for instance the kneeing of bowen on nash… which is kind of a flop… is a trick flop from a veteran nash… basketball is a physical aside from being skillful…
Carnell Said,
May 18, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Mr. Eddie Johnson,
SPURS 4 suns 2
I told you before the series started, San Antonio in 5 or 6 games. I was 45 seconds from being right on a 5 game series. I also told you first team to win two in a row will win the series. Not bad for a guy who didn’t play in the NBA….can you admit now, that maybe I do know a little something about the NBA game?
I enjoyed the series….especially since the Suns are going home!!!!!
LéGuy Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 3:59 am
Oh Carnell U R so great!!! Lets everybody clap your hands for Carnell! Lets make him nba player! Lets make him commisioner or something because he is so great that he knew the result before the start of th series… Did u bet some money or r u just a BigMouthed guy???
U were 18 seconds from being wrong in game 4:) And u r miles away to say something clever about the NBA bball… I am suns fan… REAL fan so all I will say is the Spurs r still better playoff team. And I enjoyed the series too not because manu had bloody eye… I enjoyed the basketball, not the LOSS of the opposition team!
I said Timmy is borrin b-cuz I dont like his style, but still he is GREAT bball player.
And I read in some of those comments above that Amare is nearly nuttin, just Steve Nash product… Some for those type of comments (talkin offcours about “whorey comment” too) PLEASE GUYS - FIRST CALM DOWN, THEN THINK AND AFTER THOSE TOO STEPS, THAN WRITE A COMMENT! Eddie will b happier, I will be happier a u wouldnt look like stupid jerks…
So once again congrats to the suns and I wish NBA will think bout the rule during the summer.
Btw… Eddie I love your posts here, in fact, its the most interesting column on this website since I am tired of rumors:)
Carnell Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 4:55 am
LeGuy,
I don’t want to get in to a debate. I live in Phoenix, I’m not a Suns fan like you, thank God!!!! However, I do respect your opinion, so please respect mine. I don’t care for the Suns style of play. I also feel, without Nash, Amare would struggle to score. I also think Marion is a garbage man & 98% of his offense is assisted. Yet those two run around all cocky like they are what makes the Suns run, when anyone who knows anything about basketball, knows Nash is the reason that team is as good as they are. So, You like the Suns wacky run & gun style, and
I enjoy watcing a very good post player with guys who can shoot around him. We may not agree on anything, but let’s agree on this. Amare should have known his value to his team & never put himself in a position to be suspended and maybe the outcome would have been different. Bottom line, as the saying goes, the best team always wins a 7 game series. Suns not on the Spurs level, and despite having more talent , Spurs are the better team!
Carnell Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 5:07 am
LeGuy,
You got me thinking. A lot of people disputed the fact that Nash is the 2x MVP. They felt others should get the awards. So I ask you, Nash was doing the same things in Dallas that he did in Phoenix, yet no mention of him for consideration of the award while in Dallas. Nash with Phoenix had 2 all-stars, a first-team defensive player, the sixth man of the year, & Steve the 2x MVP still couldn’t get it done. So was everyone right? Is Nash being the 2x MVP just Hype? Cause it looks that way to me!!!! Looks to me that everyone who had a problem with him getting the award twice, had good reason to question the decision considering there was better candidates!!!
Eric Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 8:27 am
Well as a spurs fan, i dont understand why everybody is constantly calling ginobili a flopper and how he should go back to Argentina. To me that’s just reflecting blatant dislike of foriegn players. Ginobili does flop sometimes, but he also gets hacked and battered by players throughout the league when he drives. Ginobili is a great player guys, and although u may not like him, to say that he isnt a great player is ah..well just wrong. BTW basketball is a physical but also mental game. Horry knoes it, thats why he lit a spark. Diaw and AMare fell for it and it became a fire. Not saying horry was right, but….u gotta admitt..horry is one scary calculating dude, and the suns in general need to smartin up and not fall to these tactics.For those who think this is a physical series….u guys havent been watching utah v houston.
LéGuy Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
MVP… I dont like the topic because nowadays there is no MJ (even Lebron fans cant say a single word)… So MVP is hard to decide. Some says that Nash is MVP because of what suns would have been without him, same is rockets without tmac, spurs without duncan. For me personally it was good that Steve got it twice and this year they gave it to Big Dirk.. I mean its not about the fact that tha last year MVP had even better year… it about who is best this year. Dirk was better (talkin about rehular season) especially because in those games he was alone on the court (the only one capable of the things), he got double teamed in the fourth and still was the killer. So this year Im ok with the award. And I am ok with the two awards goin to Nash.
BUT how can u say about maybe the most versatile player in the league that he is a garbage player?? I aint matrix fan but he is worth every penny they are paying him!! And Amare.. Amare is that good because of “Amare being Amare”… And I cant say anything against suspension because he broke the rule… BUT I complain about the RULE!! They (him a Boris) didnt participate in any “brawl”! So why? I understand they couldnt change the rule… But they are establishing things like a dress code… (stupid!) and these important things are talked when its too late… U would say the same if one of your favorite post guys was serving the suspension.
U should have more respect talkin about the players u dont like… because there are many players I dont like and I aint sayin Lebron is garbage man just because I dont like him and I dont even think he is “that” good. Maybe thats because I aint from US and I see things with more objectivity from here, from Europe.
And the last thing,… Why dont u want to get in discussion with me? beacuase I am havin great fun talkin about topic when no one can prove who is wright and who is wrong…
GD Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
Good night Suns….”Maybe next year” that should be the franchise slogan. Get a real coach if you want to get over the hump. You have the players but D’Antoni is terrible. Nash runs the offense and they only play defense once in a while. Get somebody that cant make them play defense for 48 minutes then you guys can talk it up and actually have something to talk about.
LéGuy Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
that wright in the last sentence was unintentional… dont wanna have lorenzen in my comment… so imagine there is no w…
Jose Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
HOW ‘BOUT THEM SPURS ?!
david Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Glad this series is over. If the Suns want to “blame” losses on anyone, it’s their bench that was outplayed. Barbosa has talent but no brains to match. How many times at the end of quarters did he take (and miss) dumb 3 point shots leaving 15 seconds or so for the SPurs to take the final shot? Where was Jalen Rose? All Kurt Thomas could do was hack Duncan and send him to the line.
Even our little Jacques Vaughn, who played like crap the whole series, came thru last night. You know what to expect from the marquee players — it’s the little guys that can make the difference.
sam conner Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Unfortunately, you were right. Horry is the second most valuable ‘player’ the Spurs had. Their MVP has to be David Stern. If he had a brain, he would not have tainted forever the best series going this year. Shameful
Carnell Said,
May 19, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
LeGuy,
I understand what you wrote. Let me explain on Marion. Marion is made out to be like he’s as good as Arenas out here in Phoenix. He clearly isn’t that good. I call him the garbage man cause that is what he is. He can’t create his own shot, all his offense is assisted, lobs for dunks, cherry picking, tip in from sneaking behind the D. Thus garbage man. Yet a very cocky dude, his attitude is like he’s breaking down guys off the dribble every night to do what he does. What a joke.
As far as Nash you kinda went around the question. My point was Nash did everything for Dallas he did for Phoenix, but no one even brought him up for MVP discussions. So why when he comes to Phoenix doing the same things he did in Dallas MVP discussion. Answer, Phoenix has a good media market, that’s why I feel, he was hyped up. Sure he’s good. But as the question I posed to you, doesn’t it raise your eyebrow that he is the 2x MVP, he had 2 all-stars, a first-team defensive player, the sixth man of the year, & Steve the 2x MVP still couldn’t get it done. My point was, he had a lot of help, which is more than I can say for a guy like LeBron or Kobe. I honestly believe if you take Nash off the team insert LeBron or Kobe, they win it all with the same team Nash had. Which brings me back to the question, was he really deserving or was it just good media hype on Phoenix’s end. Cause from my point of view, he shouldn’t have got it either time, there were more deserving candidates, and him having all the help he had this year and failing supports my view!Plus it’s no secret, a large number of people disputed & had a problem with him getting the award. Can you at least admit, there’s no excuse other than he’s not as good as advertised, that he had as much help as he did & yet failed……again!!!!
Dee Said,
May 20, 2007 @ 2:14 am
I have lost all respect for you as an analyst. Horry had posistion on Nash. Nash was trapped at the side line and Horry just shoved him out of bounds. It was a hard foul, a frustration foul, but not a flagrant foul. Give Steve Nash an Academy Award for that flop. Check the video. Futhermore, no players left the bench at that point. However, the coach went after Horry and was restrained by the official. It wasn’t until Horry was leaving and Raja came after Horry and Horry raised his elbow for protection that Amare and Boris left the bench. So who really created the suspensions? Robert Hory is not the blame for any suspensions. Yes, the rule is stupid, but the NBA had to suspend them because Stern’s credibility would have been greatly dimished. Another point to think about. During the Lakers-Suns serious, Kobe Bryant was defending Steve Nash on a lay up when Steve went to lay the ball in the basket and kicked Kobe out of the way, deliberately near his groin area. The replay confirmed the kick. Kobe had harsh words for Steve. However, the commentators joked it off. It wasn’t funny. Steve could have been called for a flagrant foul, and, or been suspened. But there wasn’t even a discussion and I remember Kobe being supsended for flaring his arms.
LéGuy Said,
May 20, 2007 @ 4:06 am
2Carnell
EVERY player is mostly made by the circumstaces in which he plays… Nash si for sure that good because he has great players around him, and I agree that in Dallas he was that good but the teammates were different… But u cant take other players out of the mind when picking MVP. MVP is about what the player is getting help or not… And please dont say the name Lebron in one group with Kobe. He is not half a player KB24 is. Lebron is media product for me… If I had 1st choice in that draft I would pick them all - D-Wade, Melo and CB4 - over Lebron. Lebron will never be another MJ cuz he is already mention among NBA candidates even he is not…by far…
The matrix thing… I would never say something about arenas-matrix similarity. Agent Zero is the only one… with his game, attitude off the court acts… he is amazing, he is great player… He makes all his plays by himself so if someone said there can be comparison… Im sayin there CANT b. (its funny u mentioned Gil, my another favorite player… In fact I have his jersey at home:) and its not easy to have one here in Czech Republic)
To end the nash-MVP topic… I say YES - he deserved those two awards! If u say he didnt…so let me know about your picks those two years… and this season`s pick… I really wanna know that to see what your point of view is like.
Eric Said,
May 20, 2007 @ 6:14 am
Yeah spurs took care of business, and to those that think that spurs were “given” the series…..well lemme say this, the phoenix suns are a team full of dirty players that flop, grab, pull, just like the spurs. Only difference? spurs can take that treatment, phoenix cant.
Carnell Said,
May 20, 2007 @ 11:16 am
LeGuy,
I agree LeBron is not on Kobe’s level. In my opinion, Kobe is the best player in the league. Many disagree cause they hate on him for whatever reason, but Kobe is the closest I’ve seen to MJ. There are many similarities to their games and competitiveness, and I only hope the Lakers get him some help, so he can prove everyone wrong. Cause I think, with help he can win a title without Shaq. I only put LeBron’s name in it, cause I felt for the discussion we were having, that those two, if they had the same team as Nash, would get the job done as far as winning the title with the same teammates Nash has.
As far as who I thought should have won the MVP those 2 years Nash did. The first one, I thought hands down, no one was close, Shaq had a monster season and he should have got it. The second one Kobe Bryant. How could you not give it to him with the way he got the Lakers in the playoffs by himself, an 81 point season. If you wanna argue their record wasn’t that good. Take Kobe off the team, they don’t even get close, so it’s clear why they got there. I could make an argument for Dirk & LeBron
in that same year also. This year was the correct call, and you could also make an argument for Kobe this year. Like Nate Robinson & Shaq said. Kobe’s team filled with injuries and they were missing 3 starters for a majority of the year and at one time they were 13 games over .500 even
missing those players. Kobe scored 50+ 10 of the 18 times 50 points was scored this year. He is clearly the reason they made the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, it should have been Dirk’s award this year, but how come Kobe didn’t get more love. Only 2 votes. It’s a shame how the media does
him and how they take every opportunity to make him look bad. There isn’t going to be a player like him for a very long time. They are gonna miss him when he’s gone. They are missing an opportunity to appreciate one of the greatest players to play the game.
cody Said,
May 20, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
How bout them Spurs! I can’t believe the Kleenex Suns are still whinning. The whole Robert Horry thing was manufactured by Steve Nash because he knew they couldn’t win. You mean to tell me that Nash couldn’t have crossed over and burned Horry, come on. He saw it coming and played it out well. Even the part when he threw his arms back at the end. It was a pretty smart flop its too bad his teammates don’t have any sense. Also, Nash’s little trailer pass didn’t work anymore because the Spurs picked up on it and that is all they got when the best defensive team in the league is guarding the rest of their nobodies. What does it take for Nash to get a T? He screamed and whinned all night at the refs. Duncan laughed and got thrown out of the game. Asterisk? There is no excuse for stupidity. The Suns will never win as long as they are looking for fouls on every shot. Shut up and play basketball!
Aaron Ray Said,
May 20, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
Where’s Kevin Garnett in discussions of best players in the league, everyone thinks because the Timberwolves havent been in the playoffs that he’s just fallen off. The dude still leads the league in rebounds and still drops 22 a night not to mention about 5 assists and 2 blocks. But nope, he’s no good at all. Steve Nash shouldn’t have MVP I definately would have picked Kobe or Lebron for last year. The year before that, probably Kobe again. Since when does MVP go to the best player on the best team. What if for say, Detroit was the best team in the league. Who do you give the MVP to, Billups, Hamilton, Webber, Prince or Sheed??? No, the MVP should go to someone who’s team wouldn’t be close to what they are with him, such as Kobe, Lebron, and as we saw with the Wizards, Arenas. What about T-Mac, they showed the stats, they win like 70% of their games with T-Mac, but only like 38% or something like that without him. Here’s another interesting thing. Kobe was on both First Team Defense and First Team All NBA. Dirk wasn’t, Nash wasn’t why because they both don’t play any defense. The only othe player who’s been doing this is Tim Duncan, maybe Garnett one year, oh that’s right they’ve won MVP’s those years. So why the hate on Kobe, because they let the fricken media choose the MVP. I guarantee you if they let the players, general managers and coaches of the NBA select, Kobe would have won last year and this year, because he is by far, the most valuable player in the NBA. Not Dirk or Nash who have other good players around them. Kobe has Odom….and Walton if you wanna even consider him. Come on now be real. Oh yeah, I know this comment is way off topic, but there is not MVP blog so I thought I’d just add onto this.
cody Said,
May 20, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
I wish the Spurs had Garnett. I can dream can’t I?
LéGuy Said,
May 21, 2007 @ 6:30 am
Ok… I agree that Kobe deserves more love and people should give him more credit. And I wouldnt say a single word if he was the MVP in one of last 3 seasons, but many people say the there is difference between being MVP and being the best player in the league… I dont think there is too much difference but my opinion aint gonna change it, thats why as I already said I dont like the MVP topic.
So I am ok with what u said in last comment… I dont agree with all those things but it makes some sense… (not like in your first comment when u was talkin about “run-and-gun” european style).
And I will not probably be able to check the web for next couple of weeks so I will not start another topic…
So peace and thx for the interesting conversation.
2Aaron Ray: I was just about to react on your comment…but then I saw that u would give last years MVP to Lebron and it was all over. Lebron is not the MVP and shouldnt get that award in next lets say 2 years. He is just a superman KID, not a real player yet. (but the KG thing… I wish he would change the jersey during the offseason… and I will talk about him being MVP next year)
Peace Out
MH Said,
June 3, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
I just had to say that Rober Horry was not at fault for what he did, yeah it was a hard foul, but if Steve hadn’t have acted like he did, it would’ve had a different reaction from his teammates. C’mon watch the replay, like I said yes it was a hard foul, but the way Steve flew into the air, than threw his hands wildly behind his head like 3 seconds after he hit the floor, was simply comedy. N to top if off, after he did that, he popped right back up like nothing happened and had a few words for Horry lol. If he didn’t flop the bench wouldn’t have reacted the way they did and Amare and Boris would’ve played game 5. So cry about it all you want suns fans, but blame your boy, Steve Nash the REGULAR season MVP, oh and your city will never win a title lol.
LBJ Said,
June 6, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
It’s a shame that this series will forever be remembered for the dirty play. As a fan of the game you never want to see something like getting off the bench deciding a game. Especially with all that had gone on with Bowen and other players in the playoffs. To me a kick or a knee are more of a problem than two guys getting off the bench. Another goof by Stern and Stu.
Percy James Said,
June 21, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
The Cleveland Cavs had no business in a NBA final. They had to be the worst finals team ever.If Lebron James is a “superstar” I am the prince of Egypt. He is a hyped-up media creation. He is a great athlete
not a great basketball player.For Cleveland to make it to the finals was a fluke. It won’t happen again.
Percy James Said,
June 28, 2007 @ 10:36 am
To all of you crying fans of the Suns. You were not going to beat the Spurs with Amare and Diaw. Defense wins championships and the last time I checked the Suns don’t play defense. And while you are moaning about the lost of Diaw (who was a non factor in the playoffs) and Amare, what about the lost of Horry a key player off the bench for the Spurs. Come on Suns fans admit it ! You were just not good enough!
statusmvp Said,
August 10, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
the suns only have themselves to blame for this…
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