Who wants Kobe steak?
The biggest story still going on before the 2007-08 NBA season jumps is who is going to win the Kobe Bryant sweepstakes. It has been back and forth with Kobe and the Zen Master. And now Jerry Buss has chimed in and said that he will listen to trade offers for the Laker star.
What?
Kobe is the most individually dynamic. I love LeBron, Nash, and other superstars around the league and what they do for their teams. But we are talking about a guy who scored 81 in an NBA game. He fills every arena he goes to. Fans just sit on the edge of their seats waiting for him to do something unbelievable. But that’s where the problem lies… He’s an individual and the last time I checked, basketball was a team game.
Here is an old NBA question…What is the best backcourt in NBA history?
Answer: Michael Jordan and whoever.
Jordan was so good that he made every backcourt mate a better player, a better shooter and a champion. Can Kobe be the type of player that does that for his backcourt mate? That’s is the question that 29 teams are asking themselves, but only a few can really be serious in addressing. The three teams that have been named are the Chicago Bulls, Phoenix Suns and Dallas Mavericks.
Eddie Johnson explained it beautifully and I will expand a little. Which team is willing to depart with practically their entire core for one guy? Remember Kobe is a perimeter player. He’s not Shaq, Chamberlain or Abdul-Jabbar in terms of inside presence and pure dominance. If those guys were traded, anybody can be traded. But at what price? The Mavs and the Suns would have to give up their respected superstar or a combination or All-Star players to even have a chance to get Kobe. And why would the Lakers trade him in the same conference. That wouldn’t be pretty at all.
The Bulls seems like the best fit. They are a Eastern Conference team. They have been looking for a replacement for His Airness since Jerry Krause disbanded the team. They have enough young assets to maybe package something together and still have enough left so Kobe wouldn’t feel like he is in a worse situation than he was back with the Lakers. Sounds great, but could he co-exist with Scott Skiles and his tough minded approach? I think so. Could he relish and not feel all the pressure that the city of Chicago would put on him to get them back to the promise land a la Jordan. Kobe loves that type of pressure! He wants to say, “I put this franchise on my back and got them a back as a legit championship team.”
And as long as the Cubs are still in town, he still has some leverage for at least the next 100 years. Ouch, low blow. My bad, Cubs fans.
So to sum it up, who wouldn’t want Kobe? If I’m a GM, I’m taking a quick look at the possibility. But are these teams willing to pay top dollar for the meat or just sit back, observe and stay vegetarians all season long?
Siz33 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 8:54 am
The question is: How much can Kobe be like Mike? Jordan was one of those rarest of breeds that was able to win championships without an all star in the paint. Obviously, Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman were great for D and boards, but you couldn’t give them the ball on the block and expect them to consistantly score with their backs to the basket. Pippen was superb, but wasn’t a consistant post threat, although he did everything else, including run the team, guard everyone on the floor and score 20 a game. Other than that, MJ had Luc Longley, Bill Cartwright, Will Purdue, Dickie Simpkins, etc. Isaiah Thomas is the only other one who comes close, as he had an all star in the backcourt with Dumars, and then Laimbeer, Rodman, Salley and Mahorn.
Magic had Kareem. Kobe had Shaq. Bird had McHale AND Parish. The 04 Pistons had Sheed and Ben. Every other champion I can think of in the past 25 years had an all star center or power forward. Duncan. Olajuwon. Shaq.
I think Kobe is great, but I’m not sure yet if he’s in that elite class like Jordan. And I’m not sure if the Bulls will have enough pieces left after the trade to get deep into the playoffs. Does anyone know what the Bulls would have to give up?
I think Kobe wasting his prime is his own fault. How could he not have the foresight to think that Shaq was eventually going to slow down and eventually Kobe would be the alpha dog? I’d rather have an aging Shaq than Chris Mihm or really any other Laker from the past few years. I would have swalowed my tongue and somehow dealt with playing with one of best centers ever.
Chad Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:15 am
kobe is by far the best in the league and top ten or five in history
Josh W Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:33 am
Somebody better take this opportunity to take one of the top 3 players in the league. For the teams that are in the Kobe sweepstakes, all of them have the right pieces to exchange to make them guaranteed Playoff teams with the addition of Kobe, and LA would still get legit players in return. I would like to see Kobe go east. A revived Bulls lineup of Hinrich, Kobe, Deng, Smith, Wallace. Even the Lakers would look better with Fisher, Gordon, Walton/ Nocioni, Odom, Bynum. With the addition of Kobe, PJ Brown might consider coming back to Chicago, too. I don’t think Kobe will work in Dallas, because Dallas wins when Dirk takes and makes all his shots. When the ball time is split between these type of scorers, it won’t work. Phoenix should try and make a package, maybe a Marion, Barbosa, Diaw for Kobe and Radmonavic(since Phil doesn’t like him and to make the numbers work). Phoenix would have Nash, Kobe, Hill, Radmonavic, Amare with LA having Fisher, Barbosa, Marion, Odom, Bynum. I really hope one of these teams gets him. Phoenix needs him to get past the Spurs and finally get their championship, and Chicago needs him to boost up the under-talented East. 07-08 conference finals. Chicago & Boston, Phoenix & San Antonio. Go KG and the Celtics.
anthony Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:34 am
There is no question, if Dr. Jerry Buss and the Lakers are TRULY offering Kobe up for trade, the BULLS should jump at the chance. If Lebron can make it to the finals with a bunch of scrubs, Kobe and the remaining young bulls have a damn good chance. I know chicago is high on their young stars (as well as they should be), but a player like Kobe they do not have and it could be many years before another player like him may come along. Kobe is determined to win another championship. Plus it doesn’t hurt that he will sell out the arena every night.
On the other hand, the Lakers should keep Kobe. This guy is so competitive, I can’t imagine he would sit out or go through the motions very long. He has a no trade clause and can opt out in two years. I often hear that it would be dumb for the Lakers to let him walk away in two years for NOTHING. But there are very FEW all-star free agents that change teams because often times the only teams that have salary cap space to offer the mega deals are the Clippers or Hawks. Let a 31 year old Kobe walk away from $23 mil a year. The Lakers could use that money to lure a free agent. Isn’t that not how they got Shaq??? I can’t imagine Los Angeles not being able to attract the NEXT young Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Jerry West, Shaq, or Kobe.
What franchise has one more championships in your lifetime? What owner has won more championships in your lifetime? I think most of us would say the Lakers and Buss. Lakers should be patient and wait for the best deal. Chicago may regret it when their young players don’t reach their POTENTIAL, and Cavs and Celtics are going to the Eastern Finals.
DJ HOTT Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:36 am
kobe is the man, the most unstoppable player in the league, good on defense also, if these teams are serious about delivering rings and ticket sells, they need to quit offering beans and jump on this rare occasion of the kobe sweepstakes, he is the one player that can take a 4 or 5 seed in either conference, with him added to be better than the spurs,suns,and celtics
chicago could get him, try ben gordon,a.nocioni,jokim noah,duhon, and picks, or new york, crawford,richardson,david lee,balkman,and future picks
or dallas for josh howard,jason terry,diop
la messed up by not getting garnett, i think bynum will be good, soon, and lamar get s hurt to much, and doesnt want to be a star, getting 20 pts 10rebs, gets you women,respect, and rings,i guess lamar has a girlfriend, she listens to him,and he has some jewlry,lol
lakers are a joke, the c’s respected pierce and got him allen,and garnett
the lakers couldnt eve n get kobe, j.oneal
but hey its his fault why push, shaq away, they could have been a 10 ring duo, and i bet kobe would have won a mvp or 2 in their run,
now it looks like he may be the best ever player with no mvp, unless the bulls give him a call, and wow, what if the suns really wanted him,and made nash mad, if the only way to get kobe was a nash,diaw, for kobe,
marion would get over being 3rd or 4th fiddle and win a ring
team
g-barbosa g-banks
gk.bryant g-d.strawberry
f-r.bell f-g.hill
f-marion f-b.skinner
c-a.stoudemire-cleon smith
Csheridan Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:51 am
I wouldn’t want kOBE on my team. As rough as it has been being a Knicks fan, I will always remain loyal to them til the day that I die. But… if the Knicks get kOBE, I will never watch another Knicks game as long as I live. I will burn all the memorabilia that I have collected over the last 32 years. Yes, he is a great individual talent, but he is a cancer and is the epitome of what’s wrong in pro sports today. I didn’t like the guy since day one(always felt he carried a negative vibe) and he has just continued to prove me right… Bring back the days of Magic & Bird..
Vince Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:53 am
KOBE is the best.
That’s it.
But what about the 6 time champs, the BULLS ?
They are young,full af talent, don’t throw away the futur !!!!
Let Gordon grow , Captain Kirk rise, and Luol “le dingue” Deng catch a card to N orleans in february, then ad BIG BEN, whaz up ? The 08 champs !!!
Don(t forget APRIL 07, ONE game missed against the Nets, and the season ends to a fifth spot in East. If they ended 2nd instead of disspaointed “one man team”Cavs, the finals SPURS vs BULLS , who woulg get the ring ?
Don’t touch their roster, The Boss Skiles knows.
Dre Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Csheridan you would have a kobe jersey as soon as those wins start rolling in, stop lying.
Zaneox Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Depends what the trading team wants to do, win a championship or sell tickets?
Kobe ain’t gonna win another ring no matter where he plays. Why?? Because Kobe puts himself before the team, he’s done it his whole career, even from Day 1 when he made the Hornets trade his rights to LA for none other than D-League superstar Floppy Divac. Thats got to be one of the most one-sided trades in history, and now he is forcing his hand in LA.
He had 3 future hall of famers playing with him and still had to be the man.
He belongs in Hollywood, because he is a drama queen attention seeker. Kobe is nothing but an arrogant, selfish fake and is the cover guy for everything that is wrong in pro sports today.
jon Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 10:54 am
jordan + pippen = kobe + deng. their games are almost identical. kobe has shown he can dominate the league by himself, that happens when you avg 50 pt a game for almost a month. kobe has learned that he cant win by himself, thats the part of his game he is lacking compared to michael. scottie and deng are scarily similar. within 2 seasons deng will be an all nba defender, hes got the tools and one of the smartest players in the league, hes just now putting it all together. obviously the only catch is you cant stripmine the team to get him. gordon is a given, losing kobe the lakers will want somebody who can put the ball in the basket, hinrich isnt that player..but he is the guy that controls the game so id say the bulls need to make a push to keep him. deng is off limits. and as much as i LOVE our team the way it is now, we could package gordon, tyrus, duhon (lakers still havent had a solid pg in awhile) and a few no1 draft picks…and if we have to..GULP!! nocioni (this guy is everything chicago bulls basketball stands for) pax is about due for his executive of the year award…pull this trade and keep the majority of the team intact..its a given..yeah, even over danny ainge
Csheridan Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 10:57 am
LOL..never!!!! I’d rather wear a satan jersey..
Siz33 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
So all Chicago has to give up is Ben Gordon and Nocioni to make it work? How quickly would I pull off that trade? Isn’t that one of Chicago’s problems—they don’t really have a closer? If I had to give up Deng and Gordon, no way, but Gordon and Noc? I’d do that in a heartbeat. That would immediately make me want to watch the east–Chicago/Boston for the Eastern Conference Championship? Sign me up.
Siz33 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
i really didn’t mean to make my second to last sentence a question.
Rashidi Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
The Bulls are not a good fit because they don’t have anyone who makes anything close to what Kobe makes. They would literally have to trade half their team to acquire him. The Bulls are a well built, inexpensive team. Which suffices for now. Maybe after they give new contracts to Gordon and Deng will a deal make sense, as the Bulls would only need to package those two to make a deal. Right now this makes little sense, but in a year or two it could get done. Of course, I don’t expect a Kobe deal to happen until then anyway.
bluedevil01 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
What about Kobe to the suns for Matrix and Barbosa?…the salaries match up, Kobe goes to a contender and in my opinion both teams improve.
pj Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
While the argument about money makes sense, the Bulls are currently working on extensions for Deng and Gordon. While Deng is untouchable (according to the Bulls), if a Kobe trade happens Gordon is for sure going to be in it. Gordon wants and can get a huge contract, which would go a long way in getting the money part of it down. The Lakers said they want two of Gordon, Hinrich, Deng, and Wallace. Kobe has said if he goes to Chicago he wants to play with Wallace, and Deng is untouchable. That means Hinrich and Gordon are in it. It will most likely take two more players, which will probably come from a mix of Nocioni, Tyrus, Noah, or a first round pick. The Bulls by far have the most to offer to Los Angeles in terms of rebuilding for the future, because essentially that’s what they are doing by trading Kobe, starting a new era. If anybody can do this it is the Bulls, but a lot of it will be getting Paxson in on it, because he seems way too loyal to some of his players and has seemed very tentative about letting any of his young core go. I’m a huge Bulls fan and love watching the young guys play, but in all reality, they will never win a championship together. They are missing the star that can carry them. Deng is getting better and better, but he can’t do it on his own, and whenever Gordon comes into the game, the entire offense goes down the drain. The bottom line remains that the Bulls need to make this trade.
Cris Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
All you people that say to trade Kobe for second tier players like Nocioni , Gordon, Duhon, Noah, and picks of the Bulls or Howard and Terry of Dallas are smoking some herb. First of all the Lakers are not going to trade Kobe this year, if at all. Any trade with Dallas or Chicago starts with Dirk Nowitzki or Luol Deng nothing less. Neither Dallas or Chicago is willing to do that. But nothing will happen until next Summer right before the draft. For those of you who thing Kobe ran Shaq out of LA, you don’t know your facts. Shaq admitted that the reason he left was because Jerry Buss didn’t want to pay him what he wanted and Phil Jackson was fired. I thought the Lakers made a mistake by not trading Bynum for Kidd but after watching Bynum play this preseason maybe that was a smart thing after all. There is a chance Kobe stays. There are good players becoming free agents or can opt out of their current contracts this coming off season like Jermaine O’neal(who the Lakers should try to get at the Feb. trade deadline for Odom and others) and Elton Brand.
DJ HOTT Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
I EXPECT, THE BULLS TO GIVE B.GORDON 5YEARS 60MIL, AND THEN TRADE
HIM,NOCIONI,TYRUS THOMAS,AND DUHON, FOR KOBE
LAKERS
G-D.FISHER6′1 G-J.FARMAR G-J.CRITTENTON
GB.GORDON6′2 G-MO EVANS F-R.TURIAF
F-L.ODOM6′10 F-L.WALTON
F-.T.THOMAS6′8 F-NOCIONI
C-BYNUM7′0 C-K.BROWN
THEN TRADE TYRUS THOMAS,KWAME BROWN,DUHON,LWALTON-FOR J.ONEAL
LAKERS-
D.FISHER G-J.FARMAR PF-R.TURIAF
B.GORDON G-MO EVANS PG-J.CRITTENTON
L.ODOM F-V.RADMONIVIC SG-VUCAJIC
J.ONEAL FA.NOCIONI
A.BYNUM C-C.MIHM
BULLS
G-HINRICH G-A.BARRETT
G-K.BRYANT G-J.CURRY
F-L.DENG F-T.SABOLSHA
F-JOE SMITH F-JOKIM NOAH
C-B.WALLACE C-AARON GRAY
james Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
The Rockets should trade T MAC and Mike James for KOBE BRYANT!!!
Cris Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
DJ Hott, that trade looks good if you’re a Bulls fan which I’m assuming you are. Why would the Lakers trade Kobe away THEN trade for J. O’neal. That make no sense. If the Lakers trade Kobe then they are officially in a rebuilding mode and won’t go after a 31 year old guy with injury history. The Lakers wan’t J. O’neal but not at the cost of Bynum and Odom which is what Larry Bird wants. Bird will also feel the pressure of trading J. O’neal before Buss feels the pressure of trading Kobe. If the Lakers were the Celtics, Bird would have sent J. O’neal in a heartbeat. That’s the reason Garnett ended up in Boston because of McHale’s love of the Celtics. Mc Hale, Bird, and Ainge are one fraternity who all have a deep love for the Celtics. Now Mc Hale trades for overweight and overpaid Antoine Walker. He should be fired.
PassionBulls Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
If Kobe became a Bull, I would possibly cry because he is the closest thing to Jordan that there ever might be who knows..I do know that it would be a blessing to have this guy on our squad. I mean it does not get any better than this. The man is amazing as was Jordan. I will say that even if it does not go down, I am still just as excited for this season. I love our team. They just keep getting better and better. There’s no limit right now.
Floor Seats One Day.
Jack Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Guys - Kobe is not going to the Bulls! He’ll become a Phoenix Sun according to the talk ont he radio stations out here in the Valley.
Marion, Barbosa, Diaw and 2 #1’s for Bryant. That’s the latest.
Dr. Buss has lost his mind! I love it!
NASH
Bryant
Stoudemire
Bell
Hill
= CHAMPIONSHIP Baby!
knowledeable Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Although DJ HOTT comment made alot of sense, KOBE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. He is worth too much to the Lakers and Buss is jsut bluffing. The trade that the Bulls would have to make to aquire Kobe would dismantle their whole team and risk their franchises future and yet again put Kobe back into the trade me argument. MJ IS THE GREATEST PLAYER EVER, although Kobe is one of the Best players ever and probly a better scorer he will not be able to make his teamates better so unless he is paired with another superstar he is not gonna win another ring. Kobe should stay a Laker, save LAKERLAND and wait for Jermaine O’neal to hit free agency next summer so the team would look like this:
G- D. Fish
G- K. Bryant
F. Lamar Odom
F. Jermaine O’Neal
C- Andrew Bynum
Thats a squad that will make some noise and potentially be a contender for the title.
anthony Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
I don’t see a fair deal for the Lakers if they don’t get deng. They better be careful to not sour negotiations because they have the leverage.
KOBE is PROVEN. Nobody except Ben Wallace is proven on that team. They are all about potential and youth. In the very near future, Chicago will no longer be the underdog and the PRESSURE will be on them to win more games. Who will be the leader on that team? Someone needs to step up and I don’t see a talent on the roster that can will a win. Who is there closer? I don’t see that in deng’s character, nor gordons, nor hinrichs, nor wallace. Youth and potential are exciting, but more often than not, it does not come to be.
PassionBulls Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Defense closes games sometimes. Just sit back and watch 82 Bulls games, then you might understand why the Bulls can do it with or without Kobe.
DJ HOTT Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
ben gordon is a 20pt scorer, who could be a star at pointguard, he isnt 6′3 but can score, has trouble against taller guards-kobe,joe johnson,rip,but can interchange with hinrich-the bulls dont want to give up deng because they thing he is a allstar this year, and will get better every year, and may still grow another inch or 2,and phil jackson, wouldnt want a short shooting guard, he already has d.fisher,but honestly, if skiles, just lost his love, for good, but never allstar hinrich, and give up hinrich,t.thomas,nocioni,a filler,the lakers would take it, it wouldnt make up for kobe ,but it gives the lakers a pg,afuture pf,and a solid, better version of walton in nocioni,and a 4th player, as for the bulls, they go with the scoring approach with
g-b.gordon g-c.duhon
g-k.bryant g-t.safosha
f-l.deng f-v.khyrpa
f-joe smithf-j.noah
c-b.wallace c-a.gray
that would be a chicago boston 4-2 east finals- spurs vs chicago finals, wow, or would la demand noah also, making it,hinrich,nocioni,t.thomas,&noah? is that too much? or enough to then sign chris webber to minimum, then win it all?, yes
will it happen?
no
yyy Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
bill cartwright had pretty good stats in his rookie season in ny-20.9ppg and 9.1 boards per game (he was traded because of ewing). it’s not that michael didn’t had good post players. he just didn’t use them right.
PassionBulls Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
That’s ridiculous:
The bulls would not trade Hinrich, even if Gordon is more explosive and talented, so what.
Chad Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
If Kobe went to phoenix for what Jack said, they will b champs for the next 5 years, barring injury. And everyone please stop comparing Jordan and Kobe you cant yet. Interesting Fact——If you average the points Kobe has done at the age when Jordan and a.i. hit, or kobe as a full time starter he has average 28.1 points per game. Pretty cool!!!
Chad Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
oh and yea hinrich wont get traded. Kobe wouldnt allow it. Kobe will get traded to the mavs or chicago by feb. unless pat riley is really willing to give up his ailing powderpuff star dwayne wade, which Skip Bayless’s sources say. The Lakers have to take something before they lose kobe to free agency for nothing. And Kobe has to agree. The Lakers are screwed
Rashidi Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
“While the argument about money makes sense, the Bulls are currently working on extensions for Deng and Gordon. While Deng is untouchable (according to the Bulls), if a Kobe trade happens Gordon is for sure going to be in it. Gordon wants and can get a huge contract, which would go a long way in getting the money part of it down.”
Not at all, because they’d still be operating on this year’s salaries. Their new contracts wouldn’t kick in until their current contracts run out.
Siz33 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
yyy, Cartwright was a good defender, but by time he got traded to the Bulls via Oakley in the late 80’s, his best years were behind him. Big Bill had the body of a 50 year old by time the Bulls won their first title in 91. Jordan bought into the triangle offense to the tune of 3 championships with Cartwright. So even if he didn’t know how to use Cartwright, why should he if he wins 3 with him, and then 3 more without him? Either way, Bill is no Shaq, Kareem, Olajuwon or Duncan. He’s not even a Ewing. Nobody goes around talking about the lost potential of Bill Cartwright when he went to the Bulls.
All this to say Jordan is better than Kobe.
Chad Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
For now but what premier gaurds did Jordan go up against? I know he and kobe gaurd the best player on each opposing team but jordan was gaurding allan houston and jeff hornacek….. Not wade, Lebron, McGrady, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, allen iverson, carmelo, …… u get the idea. Jordan is great to you because it was the first time you saw something like him. You people view him as god or something. If kobe wasnt in that rape trial he would be jordan as he was before it. But like humans we change once something bad happens.
As a result the media has found a way to make garbage players like Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki M.V.P.s. Are you kidding me. Its lebron’s league too lose now, who is equally as boring to watch because in 4 years ive seen him do 3 different dunks, but the media has twisted all of you so have fun with the new poster boy until he messes up.
Mohammed Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
lets be clear. MJ was a better scorer than Kobe. 37.1 ppg in his third year. averaged 30 ppg AFTER he learned to share the ball with teammates. kobe is great and all, but nobody can touch Jordan/
Bullsfan07 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
I wouldnt want Kobe on the bulls it would screw everything up, I mean KEEP GORDON KEEP NOC WE NEEED THOSE YOUNG PLAYERS
Ant Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
^^ Chad
“For now but what premier gaurds did Jordan go up against? I know he and kobe gaurd the best player on each opposing team but jordan was gaurding allan houston and jeff hornacek….. Not wade, Lebron, McGrady, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, allen iverson, carmelo, …… u get the idea. Jordan is great to you because it was the first time you saw something like him. You people view him as god or something. If kobe wasnt in that rape trial he would be jordan as he was before it. But like humans we change once something bad happens.”
JOrdan didnt guard those guys but he did guard stockton, he did guard, magic, he did guard clyde, he did guard bird, he did guard detlef and the glove. so don’t take anything away from jordan. Once Kobe wins 7 rings then come talk. Untill then don’t bring down Jordan.
In my opinion the bulls should finish this year until any trades on kobe. what if this is the break out year for Gordan, and Deng? What if Tyrus THomas learns how to calm down? Paxson built this team up from nothing. I’d rather they finish this year without kobe then trading those guys and all of a sudden they blow up. BULLS will win a championship in next 3 years. mark my words.
anthony Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
jordan had pippen to guard the best point guard, off guard or small forward on the other team. Rodman also backed up Pippen to guard the best small forward. That is a luxury no other player has had, especially kobe.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
Come on poeple i’m hearing that they should wait till next year and get jermain oneal it’s not happening you know why, because the lakers cant sign nobody that’s why the lakers and other teams like boston and minnesota were trying to involve them selfs in a blockbuster trade, becuase that was the only way of getting garnett, but yeah dont forget the lakers are in trouble because of their cap room which they dont have none so keep dreaming the lakers are lost. Second comment now i’m hearing that the suns can get kobe and he will be nash,staudamire,and hills as his teamates, well you are right they can get him but it’s not happening because the lakers will not trade kobe to the suns because they dont want too see him in another western team so that’s out of reach. Third commment who said that the bulls are going to sign both deng, and gordon mostly like deng will, but i doubt gordon is. so now if the bulls were too sign both players they cant trade them till after next summer. so again if the bulls do sign both players there is no trade going down, that’s for sure. but if the bulls just sign deng and not gordon then something is going down, plus we can give and put hinrich in the mix it’s kool will just wait for ARENA’S next season he already stated he will test free agency and would’nt ming playing with kobe. BUT BOTTOM LINE IS KOBE WILL NOT BE A LAKER NO LONGER THAN FEBUARY, BECAUSE THE LAKERS CAN EVEN BEAT SOME OF THIS WESTERN CONFERENCE TEAMS AND I KNOW AND YOU ALL KNOW BY SEEING IT IN THE PRESEASON, BUT I KNOW IT’S JUST PRESEASON BUT HOW CAN THEY BLOW 0UT TEAMS THAT ARE NO CONTENDERS, BUT NOT THOSE THAT CAN COMPETE. IT’S NOT HAPPENING FOR THE LAKERS UNELSS THEY GET SHAQ BACK LOL LOL I’M DONE………
Siz33 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
I can’t believe people argue that Kobe is better than Jordan. What do you think Jordan did before he got his supporting cast? Pretty much everything. How many all defensive teams did Jordan make? Who won defensive player of the year between the 2? He torched Drexler in 92. He trashed Dan Majerle for 41ppg in the 93 Finals because people said Thunder Dan was this great defender. He beat Payton. He beat Reggie. He beat Penny when he was good. He beat Magic! He outscored him AND out assisted him in the 91 Finals. He beat Dumars/Isaiah. He also drove Pippen to be the best player he could be, he would get all over Rodman when he was out of control. Oh yeah, and 6 rings. Who got a career altering steal against the reigning MVP in Malone in 98 and 10 seconds later hit the game winning shot in the Finals, on the road? At 35 years old, no less…and after all that, 6 rings and 3 MVP’s, dunk champ, defenisve player of the year, Dream Team, I was decieved by the media?
If Kobe wanted to be better than Mike, he sticks with the best team he possibly can and pile up the rings to the sky. Instead he insists to have his own team, start all over at 26 years old, going right into his prime. It’s his own fault. I’m not saying Kobe isn’t absolutely amazing, but he’s just not Mike.
Siz33 Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 10:36 pm
Also, if we’re going to compare teammates, Jordan never had Shaq like Kobe, James Worthy and Kareem like Magic; DJ, Parish and McHale like Bird;…everyone needs teemmates…Jordans were defensive. Pippen scored 20 ppg, but that’s it. Rodman didn’t score….see where I’m going here?
statusmvp Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
kobe is goin nowhere as of this season…not even chicago….he will finish up this contract in a lakers uniform
Rashidi Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
“For now but what premier gaurds did Jordan go up against?”
Clyde Drexler in the 92 Finals. Joe Dumars in all the Detroit matchups. Off-guard was not the same position it is today, but don’t think he didn’t face the best defenders in the game every night. Jordan and Kobe rarely guard the opposing teams star anyway. Stars in general take it easy on the defensive end and let someone else on the team take the top assignment.
Troy Herron Said,
October 24, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
The bulls can put a package together of, Kirk, Andres, Joakim, and a 1st round pick. I think that would make everyone in chicago happy and it should make people in L.A happy. All three of those players will eventually be all-stars in this leagueand the bulls will be able to put together a lineup of, gordon, bryant, thomas, deng, and big ben.
chantana Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 1:02 am
i just love how guys say kobe is a “drama queen”, selfish (team USA??), cant win another championship…u GOTTA be kiddin’ me!! u think shaq would’ve won 3 rings without kobe? take away the 20+ points he averaged in those playoffs and u got your answer. And i dont believe chicago wont win a championship if they trade some of their young pieces, just look at the east, the magic and celtics are the only threats…chicago with kobe, kirk, big ben, deng and whoever at PF would def. get it done. just cause u dont like kobe doesnt mean the man aint good at what he does
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 1:41 am
thank you guys for backing that up even though i’m a bull fan which you can see in my name. well kobe is good but let’s keep jordan out of this please MICHAEL JORDAN!!!!! Nobody can be compare too him i rest my case ok! well if you guys do keep updating yourself on what’s going on in the nba well it is just a matter of time. and this is for real go to http://www.hoopshype.com and scroll down and you will see where bryant is going all i need to say that the lakers are waiting on one of the players conrtact too kick in so the trade can go through, and keep reading you will find out where he is going. this players contract wont kick in till december 14 and he is heading out west, so that means kobe is heading out east, check for your self,even lebron knows this man!!!!
B.B. Kinda Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 2:14 am
Rashidi, those stars don’t take it easy on the defensive end… Both have multiple All NBA 1st and 2nd team selections.
B.B. Kinda Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Meant to say 1st and 2nd All Defensive Team.
DA Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 3:25 am
The pressure of Chicago fans doesn’t compare to the pressure he already goes through in LA. The Lakers are a far more proud and heralded franchise… so he’d feel right at home with expectations and would probably even love the challenge. That’s just how he is.
Zaneox Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 4:29 am
I agree with Siz33. Kobe isn’t in the same league as Micheal, and Deng is no Scottie Pippen either - at least not yet.
Bulls should steer clear of Kobe, his personality will destroy all of the potential that this team has.
DJ HOTT Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 7:05 am
troy is right get rid of hinrich,nocioni,and noah,and pick for kobe and watch the rings pile
and rashidi, yea now guards like dwade,lebron,kobe,iverson,vince,and pierce are more versitile
but jordan had to go up against, reggie miller,mitch richmond,clyde drexler,
d.wilkens,dumars, allan houston, the fact is the bulls are a real good team
but have no superstar, they have to many substars, and tweeners
they will be fun to watch and make the playoffs, but with just ben wallace inside, and 3 10pt 6rebs pfs, in thomas,j.smith,and noah,
they could never beat phoenix or san antonio
shit boston for that much, get a unstoppable player, to go with the young talent in kobe
Laker4lyfe Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 7:28 am
All this talk about Kobe going to the bulls.. Y’all need to think about who the lakers are getting in return. It HAS to be a trade that will benefit BOTH teams and will allow BOTH teams teams to get even better. The bulls would not work out for sure. We would have to take Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, and perhaps Tyrus Thomas at the least for the lakers to get even par to where they are at right now for giving Kobe. The lakers need more role players than all stars and the bulls would have to give alot to even things out. If that happens that would leave my boy Kobe with a team that pretty much looses Deng, Gordon, and Thomas and ends up being in a team no better than the current Lakers. If there would be a trade it would deffinately have to be to a team that could afford to loose players and still be good. A team that last year was 3rd or 4th seeded, like perhaps the Suns or Raptors.
DJ HOTT Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 8:24 am
best players in the league/or to have on your team
1.kobe bryant
2.lebron james
3.tim duncan
4.c.anthony
5.s.nash
6.d.wade
7.k.garnett
8.dirk nowitzki
9.allen iverson
10.yao ming
11.amare stoudemire
12.shaquille oneal
13.jason kidd
14.paul pierce
15.vince carter
16.gilbert arenas
17.zack randolph
18.carlos boozer
19.ray allen
20.dwight howard
21.chris bosh
22.tony parker
23.baron davis
24.s.marion
25.jermaine oneal
Chad Fofana Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 8:54 am
Ant….
Jordan started to win against magic after HIV, Clyde and Bird were well past their prime which were the 80s. Tracy Mcgrady would have won championships in that golden age of easy competition Jordan went through. By the time Jordan was at his prime all the 1992 USA Dream Team players were in their 30s so please dont try to educate when you are uneducated…..
And to all these Bulls fans. What you dont understand is that the Bulls live or die by their shooting. Which is why they always lose. Tyrus thomas sucks , ben wallace is old. You Chicago needs kobe. Please send Gordan aka streaky and mr. dissapear in tough games when his shot doesnt fall.
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 8:56 am
Rashidi , kobe does gaurd the best player every night. Which is why he is always on the All defense team
anthony Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 9:22 am
even jordan needed two all-stars surrounding him at all times to win a championship.
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 9:35 am
exatly anthony. Jorsdan is great but wait until Kobe’s career is over. Jordan didnt start winng rings until he was thirty. Kobe is 29 with three
Zaneox Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:53 am
DJ Hott, do you take into account Kobe’s award winning non-team orientated, sulky, drama personality into your listings?? Over just 4 years he’s turned the Lakers from perennial championship contenders to utter mess with little or no trade leverage…
If basketball was played 1-on-1 I’d pick him no.1 every time, but he just doesn’t play well with others.
PassionBulls Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Huge Bulls fan! Huge!
It is ok to say Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan that there is or maybe ever will be (in a sense, it is a subtle way of comparing the two WITHOUT taking ONE THING away from Jordan). Just think if Kobe was in a bulls jersey, wouldn’t some of the AMAZING jordan-like feelings re-absorb inside, alomost giving you the shivers? If not, your Bulls fandom is questioned. I live for the Bulls organization and do not go a day without thinking about my team. Let me add that I will be just as happy if we do not get Kobe because I totally support any decision Pax makes. Nobody wants the Bulls to give too much up anyway.
space Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
KOBE?
kobe in a bulls jersey would ultimately remind all true bulls fans how much they loved michael and value his accomplishments that much more. sure kobe is wonderous but he just doesn’t have that ‘certain-something’ even if he wins another few championships.
–and chad the jordan bashing is wasted effort. i don’t even feel like typing a response. save me writing a ¶.
Drew Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
First, any team that has the rocks to say its star is off limits as far as being traded to get Kobe Bryant, Should not even be considered to trade with. I mean are the G.M’s posturing, or are they out of their minds? I do believe it may be possible to make a trade work with someone without including their star,but it is very unlikely.
Dirk is great, but can’t carry Kobes jock. Dirk and Howard are not even equal value for Kobe. Now don’t get me wrong, it may or may not be a good move for the Mavs to trade their two best players for Kobe, but even combined they are still not Kobe’s equal on the court.
The whole Bulls team is nearly not equal to Kobe. Once again, please understand, I think the Bulls are a good young team, up and coming, with good parts, just not the whole package. You can combine ANY, and I mean ANY 4 players on the Bulls, and they are not as valuable as Kobe. Also, I will say that the Bulls may even be better off just keeping what they have, to have alot of good players and alot of depth, is in its own way valuable.
Two points that really bother me I must bring up,………………. First, any trade that anyone thinks up about Kobe, the Lakers DO NOT WANT the other teams small players. Maybe 2 guard to fill Kobes spot (a tall 2 guard). The Lakers are already over filled at that spot with smalls such as First Round Pick- Farmar (could be a star), First Round Pick -Crittenen- (knows the triangle, could be a star), and free agent acquisition and former Laker Fisher. So please realize in these fantasy trades that Phil Jackson DOES NOT want small guards, and that the Lakers already have better young prospects at that position they could eventualy earn through draft picks. Trade must include 90 percent Bigs, maybe one two guard.
Second, does Kobe’s persona hurt his team? I can’t be positive in that answer, but I can say this is the NBA, its riddled with thugs or people trying to look like either thugs or dons of a crime family. I mean from cheating on wives, gambling, drugs, late nite partys, assaults, guns, everyone holding out for the top dollar, shady refs, and franchises leaving cities that have been their homes for decades just for one more dollar, lets not make Kobe the worst guy in the league. I dont want to hear anything having to do with attitude or cancer reguarding a Kobe Bryant trade. If you buy tickets or merchandise from the NBA, you’ve agreed long ago to basicaly look the other way as far as the league’s Image “Problem” (more like image annhilation). Have a great day.
Jim M Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
The best backcourt ever? Have you already forgotten about Jerry (NBA logo) West and Gail Goodrich. I don’t think that any of Jordans backcourt mates topped that.
James Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Chad, you are retarded…first off, Bill Cartwright did have good number’s his rookie year. To bad that when Jordan won with him, he was ten years removed, that’s right a whole decade away from his rookie year…also, Kobe does not cover the best player night in and night out, Phil has said in the past that he does not deserve to be on those All-Defensive Teams, and if he does guard the best person…how do you put him on the All-Defensive team after Wade torched him for 40+ and after Arenas dropped 60 in the Staples center! Also, Jordan was 27 when he won his first ring, one his third at 29…retired for two years and then won his next three from 31-33!
space Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
attitudes go away with trades and new cities forget or don’t know about past history of a player. look at iverson. he’s the poster boy behind carmelo up in denver now. if kobe leaves he’ll be the toast of the NEW town. at least every town except chicago, where i think the jordan comparison’s could possibly become a distraction. regardless of where, if he goes, he will still be the hungriest, most aggressive SOB in the NBA. but there probably will be no winner’s in ANY kobe trade.
history says no to superstar trades:
shaq for odom, butler, and the ball boy [haha]
barkley for hornacek, and a few other ball boys [haha]
fill-in the blank for whoever in the 70’s, 80’s [all bad moves]
and eventhough the suns would quickly give up alot to get him, the lakers wouldn’t want him landing anywhere in the west. [seeing him in a suns jersey with the green light to score 50+ every night, super-nash as his setup man and amare dunking anything that didn't go in would be a pure joy]. realistically, i do not see that happening.
Laker Fan Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Kobe has always wanted his own team and claimed to be a Championship player. Lets looks at the Lakers playoff record over the pass three years since Shaq has been gone:
Year One: No playoff appearance
Year Two: Lost in the first round when his team was up 3 - 1. Where was this Superstar player with all these championship experience during game 7 against the Suns? Truth of the fact is, he’s a tremendous INDIVIDUAL basketball player, but he’s not TEAM player. You can have the greatest stats in the world and score 81 pts in one game, but if you can’t even get out of the first round of the playoffs, you’re still a loser. (And don’t give that cramp like he doesnt have any supporting casts!)
Year Three: Lost in the frist round
The fact is Kobe is a Narcissist. a cry baby, a jerk and most of all a LOSER!!!! The last three Lakers seasons speak for itself!
Gerald Brooks Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
There’s a big difference between Kobe and MJ. It’s ATTITUDE! I agree with Laker Fan above, Kobe is a loser. There are Laker fans and Kobe fans; unfortunately, in LA the Kobe fan are delusional!!! MJ wins and Kobe loses and whines.
Lets get this guy out of LA as soon as possible. Kobe should apologized to Jerry Buss for his whining and crying by buying Dr. Buss a five million pink diamond. He guess if my wife is a whore I can buy her love too.
81 Witness Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
This would be the only possible Kobe trade that PJ would think about. He has control over the trade scenario:
Lakers receive: Chris Bosh PF, Josh Childress SG/SF, Dallas 1st rounder 2008-09, Dallas 1st rounder 2009-10.
Dallas receives: Kobe + Cook
Atlanta receives: Maurice Evans + Vujacic + Lakers 2nd round 2008-09
Toronto receives: Terry PG/SG and Howard F
Lakers now look like:
PG: Farmar, Fisher,
SG: Childress, Crittenton
SF: Odom, Walton
PF: Bosh, Turiaf, Radman
C: Bynum, Brown, and Mihm
Lakers would look to firesale Brown or Mihm to improve PG/SG positions. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Tierre Brown back in a Lakers uni around Jan or Feb.
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Jordan beat Magic in 91…when Magic was 31 years old. He had HIV at the time but hadn’t announced it until that fall. He beat Clyde Drexler when Clyde was 30 and Jordan was 29. How is that past Clyde’s prime? He beat Isaiah when Isaiah was 30 years old, and Dumars was 28 while Jordan was 28. He beat Payton when Gary was 28 and Jordan was 33. He beat Penny at 24 while Jordan was 33. So either Jordan was within a couple years of these players ‘past their primes’, or, he was far older and supposedly past his prime when he beat much younger players.
Yet I guess McGrady, who hasn’t been out of the first round in 10 years in the weak East with the Magic, and then in the West with Houston, would have toppled the Original Bad Boy Pistons and won more rings? TMac can barely stay healthy for a full year. I like TMac, but he’s not even a Kobe, much less a Mike.
Besides which during the second three peat, the Bulls beat Shaq with Penny one year, and then the Jazz twice, and both years the Jazz beat the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe to get to the Finals. So yeah, Jordan only had to go against Hornacek and Bryon Russell, but that’s who Kobe faced those years and failed to beat.
And what two all-stars did Jordan have? Pippen yes, but Horace was only an all-star in 94 when Jordan was gone, and Rodman never made an all-star team with the Bulls, and was 34, 35, and 36 years old during those years. Besides which, in game 6 vs utah in 98, Pippen had back problems and only scored 8 points…Rodman averaged far below his rebounding averages and played around 30 minutes a game. Meanwhile Jordan has 45 pts, including the greatest ending sequence in the history of hoops. At 35 years old.
Jeremy Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
I have been saying since before the draft that Chicago should have traded Ben Gorden, Tyrus Thomas and the #9 pick for Kobe. Granted, it’s more limited now that the pick is Noah, but it may still work. People say it’s TOO much because it’s 3 lottery picks, but Kobe is perhaps the best player in the league and at least top-3 by anyone’s estimation. Can you honestly say that a team of Heinrich/Bryant/Deng/Smith/Wallace with Duhon/Thabo/Nocioni would not challenge Boston for the Eastern title…? I think P.J. Brown would resign there too just to give some frontcourt depth.
It’s the only thing that makes sense. I don’t see LA winning titles before Kobe opts out, and Chicago won’t win with only Deng as it’s big star (I don’t think a team will win with Gordon as anything more than a 3rd option…I don’t think they’ll win with him regardless). If you’re Paxon, realize that adding Kobe makes you a top-4 team in the NBA with Spurs, Suns, and Celtics. And obviously great ratings. You HAVE to do it. They aren’t going to sign Gordon for a huge contract, might as well take on a player who actually deserves the max and the right to play in Jordan’s footsteps.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
hey james get your facts together i’m a bull fan but your making us look bad jordan won his first ring at the age of 30 SIR not 27 remember he got drafted in “84 and won the first one in “91 and you do the math he was 23 going on 24 when he was drafted. his birthdate is on feb, 17 1960 do be fool!!!!
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
HEY DREW! DREW! DREW! BE QUIET MANNN!!!!! WHATARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUT IF KOBE IS SO VALUE HOW IS IT THAT THE BULLS ARE GETTING MORE WINS THEN THE LAKERS HAVING KOBE IN THE ROSTER, AND BEFORE YOU SAY THAT THE EAST IS NO COMPETION THE LAKERS WOULD’NT EVEN GET ANYWHERE IF THEY WERE IN THE EAST AND YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE OF THEIR ROLES AND THAT TRIANGLE OFFENSE THEY HAVE THEY DONT PLAY DEFENSE LIKE THE BULLS, OR PISTONS, AND IF YOU ARE A BASKETBALL FAN YOU DID SEE HOW THE LAKERS WERE LOOSING TO ALOT OF THE EASTERN TEAMS LIKE THEY LOST TWICE TOO CLEVELAND, KNICKS, AND BOBCATS WITH ONE OF THE GAMES GOING TO TRIPLE OVERTIME, SAME WITH THE PISTONS ETC…… DONT GO THERE IF YOU ARE UPDATED THE LAKERS ARE JUST WAITING ON ANDRES NOCCIONIS CONTRACT TOO KICK IN WITH THE BULLS AND THEN SOMETHING WILL GO DOWN FOR YOU FYI!!!!!!! THE LAKERS ARE VERY INTERESTED IN NOCCIONI’S SO STOP MAN FOR REAL DONT MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL!!!!!
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
DREW DREW DREW !!!!!!!!! AGAIN STOP I’TS NOT WHAT JACKSON WANTS MANN!!!!! IT’S COMES FROM THE BIG JEFES GET IT TOGETHER MAN SERIOUS!!!! AND WHO SAID THAT THABO COULDN’T FIT, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEND BOTTOM LINE KOBE IS GETTING TRADED. PLUS IF HE DOES LAND A BULL SKILES WILL CHANGE THINGS AROUND JUST LIKE IF WE WERE TOO GET KWAME HE CAN BE SOMEBODY IN CHICAGO BECAUSE OF SCOTT SKILES ROLE AS A COACH SO DREW! DREW! DREW! GET OUT OF THIS COMMENT BOARD LOL LOL UR FUNNY YOU KNOW THAT/.
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
Jordan’s birth year was 1963.
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_bio.html
He left college after his junior year. How would he be 23? That would have made him a 20 year old senior in high school.
He sure has hell wasn’t 38 when he beat the Jazz in 98. He was 40 in 2003 when he retired from basketball from the Wizards. So let’s see….
2003-1963=40. 2003-1960=43.
Something’s not right here…I’m guessing it’s Bullfan283.
Check any bio site on Jordan in the known world. You tell me what you find.
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
Dear James
Please get your facts straight or go cover some other sport.Because you are so wrong about Jordan
1. It doesnt matter what phil Jackson says, he piggybacks allstars to win titles .
2. Read Bullfan283
3. Dwayne wade , yes at times he can be good, but lets not forget he is a girl who got carted off in a wheelchair for an arm injury …crying, what a 1st class sissy.
4. Arenas had a good game when kobe averaged 50 that month, again kobe gaurding the best player on the court. Gilbert has also be quoted many times calling kobe by far the best player in the league.
So please please Young James….. Get your facts straight loser lmao which means im laughing my ass off at you .. retard
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
OH MAN!!!! I HEAR IGNORANCE ABOUT HOW KOBE CAN TAKE ALL OF THE BULLS SQUAD HE IS NOT TAKING NOTHING YOU TELL ME LAKER 4 LIFE WHEN A PLAYER IS NOT SATISFY WITH THERE CURRNET TEAM, YOU TELL ME WHAT DID THE LAKERS GET WHEN SHAQ DEMANDED A TRADE NOBODY!!! YOU TELL ME WHO DID THE SIXERS GET WHEN IVERSON DEMANDED A TRADE NOBDOY!!!!! YOU TELL ME WHAT DID MINNESOTA GET WHEN GARNNET GOT TRADED, BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE T-WOLVES ORGANIZATION IS THAT THEY KEPT EVERYTHIN LOW-KEY BUT GARNNET WANTED OUT, SO AGAIN YOU TELL ME WHO DID THE T-WOLVES GET WHEN THEY TRADED GARNETT NOBODY!!!!!! SO IF THE BULLS CAN GIVE UP GORDON, NOCCIONI, THOMAS,AND DUHON, THAT CAN WORK BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND AGAIN KOBE WILL GET TRADED AND IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL BENEFIT BOTH SIDES BECAUSE LAKERS CAN BECOME A RUNNING TEAM, WITH ANDRE BYNUM GETTINNG STRONGER THEY WILL BE A THREAT SO STOP RIGHT THERE AND DONT SAY ANTHER WORD!
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
Hopefully Bynum will get stronger.
And just so everyone knows.. i know Jordan is the best to ever touch a basketball.
Oh and iverson is torching nash right now, but phoenix is gonna come back.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
CHAD WHY ARE YOU GOING BY WHAT ARENAS SAID HOMEBOY!!!! THAT MEANS NOTHING AND AGAIN DONT GET IT TWISTED KOBE IS GOOD BUT NOT THE BEST PLAYER THAT EVER PLAYED THE GAME YES IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW HE IS, BUT LEBRON IS ONLY 22 YEARS OF AGE AND LOOK WHERE HE TOOK THE CAVS SO YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING YET BECAUSE THERE IS MANY YEARS TOO COME FOR THOSE GOOD STARS, SO YOU NEED TOO GET YOUR FACTS TOGETHER BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING, AND WHAT’S SO FUNNY NOTHING YOU’RE JUST BEING IGNORANT!
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
EXACTLY HE WAS 38 AND THEN DID A COME BACK A YEAR AND HALF LATER WITH THE WIZARDS AND THEN RETIRE AT THE AGE OF 40 SO YOU BETTER GO BACK AND CHECK IT BECAUSE THE ONLY THING WRONG HERE I SISSY!!!!! OH MY BAD IS THAT YOUR NAME OR WHATEVER IT DONT MATTER CAUSE YOU AINT GOT NOTHING ON ME HOMEBOY!!!!!!
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Hey Mr Bulls Fan , u dont know when the greatest player in bulls history was born which is 1963 not 60. Your not just being ignorant ,your just plain stupid. And Lebron James is a choke job. By the way i loved watching him airball free throws in the finals. And shooting percentage and free throw percentages have gone down since he came in the league.Big Z takes the tech. free throws for that team. Lebron not even a leader. Just an athlete put in a position to shine with nie coaches guiding the way. He should go to the nfl where he belongs while he still 22. Lol The Bulls fan that knows nothing about jordan…. this is me be ignorant lmao
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
COME ON LOOK AT YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THE NERVE TOO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT OK! AND THEN BIG WORD YOU WANT TO SAY THAT LEBRON IS A NOBODY, PRETTY MUCH SAYING THAT BIG PIC…. HE IS ONLY 22 WAIT TILL HE IS ATLEAST 25 OR 26 HE WILL BE SCARY I’LL PICK HIM OVER KOBE ANYTIME. STOP MAN BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID IT REALLY TELL HOW MUCH OF THAT IGNORACE YOU CARRY
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Yes I do…you said his birthday is 1960, when it’s 1963.
You’re wrong. I’m right. I don’t have anything against you, you just have your information incorrect.
Let’s break it down. Jordan won his first title in June 1991. He was 28 years old. 1991-1963=28. He first retired in 1993, at 30 years old. He then returned in April 1995 at the age of 32. So it would stand to reason that in 1998 when he won his 6th title, he was 7 years older than he was in 1991, making him 35. See how amazing math works?
His first season with the Wizards started in the fall of 2001. So if he was 28 in 1991, I wonder how old he would be in 2001? I’m guessing 38. He turned 39 in 2002, and in 2003 when he retired, he turned 40 on Feb 17th. So if he was 40 in 2003…how could he have been born in 1960?
Or you could make this easier on yourself and go to any Jordan site online and check for yourself. I like NBA.COM. Would you like me to repost the link again?
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
YES IT DOES WORK AMAZING FOR SOME OF US PLUS YOU NEED TOO TAKE THE MATH YOU TOOK ALL OVER AGAIN I’LL PUT MONEY THAT HE WON HIS FIRST RING WHEN HE WAS 30 THAT’S ON ANYTHING HE GOT DRAFTED WHEN HE WAS 23 GOING ON 24 PLUS HE RETURN MARCH 25 FROM HIS FIRST RETIREMENT AND YOU THINK YOU KNOW BELIEVE ME. I CAN EVEN TELL YOU THAT JORDAN’S LOWEST CAREER POINTS WERE 25 IN A GAME THAT WAS HIS LOWEST. DONT TRY TO CORRECT ME, I REST MY CASE YOU AINT GOT NOTHING ON ME YOU SISSY. PUT YOURSELF IN A MATH CLASS LOL LOL YOU DO MAKE ME LAUGH BUDDY!!!!
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TOO ADD BECAUSE I HAVE ALL NIGHT TO DO SO SISTER SISSY!!!
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
sis33, he is not very smart obviously with sports or numbers.”Think of how he’ll be when he’s 26″ whatever im not looking into the future so dont bring it up besides , Lebron doesn’t have the mind or work ethic to be best . Only Jordan and Kobe possess that knowledge… hmmm knowledge… math = bullfan283? naaa. Face it man its over. Just go home study your notes and get back at me bro
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Bullfan283. Humor me for just one moment. Check two links:
Here’s Jordans NBA.com bio:
http://search.nba.com/search/promosearch?sp_a=sp10033e5e&sp_f=ISO-8859-1&sp-t=nba&sp_advanced=&sp_q=michael+jordan&x=41&y=8
Here’s some career low for points. Just check the links. Unless you’re scared you’re wrong.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CEEDA103AF930A35757C0A9649C8B63&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2001/12/27/wizards_pacers_ap/
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
You can even call me if you want. Do you want my #?
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
I don’t understand it Chad, I have cold hard facts backed up by the NBA. What is this kid going on?
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
both of you guys are sorry. so you are telling me that jordan got drafted when he was 21, i dont think so lis sis! facts huh really! i’m i supposed too be amaze and little fat chad lol lol your a joke again lil sisters lebron is only 22 kobe did not do what this kid did because there was 2 differences ok kobe had shaq which we all know that was a duo you couldn’t mess with, but lebron who did he have zadrunaz ok!!!! come on you see what i’m saying right! do you because it does makes sense too me. kobe 22 with shaq and lebron 22 with who!!!! nobody, so you feel me i guess not because even a blind man can sense this but you lol lol this is what you make me do lol lol lol laugh what ever you want some more keep it coming i’m here.
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
i know its on nba.com ,yahoo, wikipedia… now all thats left to him is subtracting… which you have done i might add,he might be using a calculator now thats why he isnt replying
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
check the link for jordan’s birthday. Do it. Educate yourself.
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_bio.html
Check the link then talk. Or, send proof of your own.
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
i see you have put the bulls fan to rest and have become the cavs fan. am i right if so i may have to enlighten you on what exactly lebrick had to go through to get to the finals? But you do admit you were totally wrong about the bulls and jordan and you will soon change your name right.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
i have reply keep it coming i’m here that does not mean nothing man that link is not right i know because jordan got drafted when he was going on 24 i rest my case. that link needs some changes i’m serious! reply hey lil fat chad get off his nuts stop swinging on each others nuts lol lol lol lol you guys are supposed too be what lol lol lol lollllllllll come on keep it coming i’m here.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
see lil fat cha all you do is talk out of your ass! i’m a bull fan till the casket drops i’m just a basketball fan but if any body is going against my bulls I’m against you that’s bottom line all you do and lil sis is just too asume stuff like you are doing now, just because i said i would pick lebron over kobe that does not mean i’m cavs fan, you do have alot of ignorance too what you say lil fat chad! you need to get it together lis sisters!
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Bullfan
hey lil fat chad get off his nuts stop swinging on each others nuts lol lol lol lol you guys are supposed too be what lol lol lol lollllllllll come on keep it coming i’m here.
Your such a lame ass go to bed
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
Bullfan283, okay, fine, for some reason NBA.com, the official website of the NBA, has his birthday wrong. Just put in Michael Jordan Bio into a google search and search any link and see what you find.
Think about it logically, if Jordan was 24 when he was drafted in 84 after his junior year at UNC, then that means he was a 21 year old senior in high school. That makes no sense. Check NBA.com, check whatever you want. I’ve provided proof. Your word means nothing to me or anyone…show us proof of anything you are claiming, and then we can talk. You can’t rest a case without proof…they say ‘I rest my case’ in courtrooms after PROOF was submitted, not just because some lawyer says ‘I know it to be true.’ It’s all in the proof. So prove it.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
alright if you think you have your facts right about MJ YOU TELL me who was the first person he had too beat when he was 13 years old, when he first started playing basketball, because you have too go too links to get, what mistakes tell something i dont know now, that you supposedly know everything lil fat chad and lil sis lol lol lol come on tell me something i dont know?
Rashidi Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
“Rashidi , kobe does gaurd the best player every night. Which is why he is always on the All defense team”
LMAO. I remember the night Allan Houston dropped 50 on the Lakers, Kobe was nowhere to be seen. It was all Rick Fox and Devean George.
Kobe is on the all-defense team because of his popularity, there are many better defensive guards out there who get snubbed because they aren’t household names - Kobe was making all-defensive first teams over Bruce Bowen which should tell you how legit those selections are.
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
I honestly couldn’t care less about Jordan as a kid. Who did he have to beat, his brother Larry? Who cares? I know his birthday and provided proof that I indeed was right. Just prove he was born in 60. Prove it. Nobody cares about his childhood, or what his favorite candy is, or anything else. Just prove he was born in 60. I’ll give you my IM, and on there, I can give you my phone number and address.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
like i said lil sis i rest my case. now the question is do you know something i dont know? besize the age. you have what seems too be right because of an link. and i did check but like i said that means nothing you guys are the only ones that come in here and post comments like your shit dont stink what do you know besides a number difference nothing it doenst matter because i know what jordan is all about and kobe at this moment comes close but not above jordan. and too lil fat chad lebron is something scary.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
so what you say does matter right like i said you do have the upper hand because of link that shows something that is giving you the upper hand but what you say means nothing lil sis!
Siz33 Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Bullfan, I never claimed to be some Jordan expert, just someone who knows his birthday better than you. And if you read the rest of my comments before you started saying he was born in 60, they are saying Jordan being better than Kobe. What are you so upset about? You were wrong, take it like a man.
Chad Said,
October 25, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
lol
Siz33 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 12:03 am
This is so bizarre…someone tries to tell me he was born 3 years before he really was, and then when he’s wrong, he turns it into some contest as to who knows the most random, pointless trivia about Jordan ever. It wasn’t about who knew the most pointless Jordan trivia, it was about his birthday.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 12:08 am
ok, so you think you got something, you dont have nothing SIR, dont try to get hold of your self just becaus of link.
Siz33 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 12:11 am
You confuse me Bullfan. I know Michael Jordan’s birthday. Big deal. I was correcting you because you were wrong. Why are you upset? I’ve offered you my IM, phone number and address, since you like to talk so much.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 12:12 am
see you must of forgt it wasn’t about his birthdate it was about his time being in the nba before he won a title i was the one who through in the d.o.b. so dont go there just by trying too be a badass if you really go back and look at it the way it is all you guys come in here and start commenting about jordan like you know so much, right or wrong and that is fact.
Siz33 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Anyway, I’m off to bed. I hope next time I can find some disagreements about Kobe Bryant’s wife’s name. (Vanessa)
anthony Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 9:03 am
greatest most exciting entertaining dynamic complete player ever: Magic Johnson !
Ryan Love Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 9:40 am
Kobe is absolutely at that level that Jordan was at when he was winning those championships. We have to remember that Jordan won those titles in a weaker era. It was an era in which most teams had 1 star to superstar maybe 2 and the teams with 2 were the elite teams like the Jazz and the Rockets when they got Drexler and they even won a championship before the Glide came with just Hakeem. You couldn’t do that now. One guy is not enough to even get to the playoffs alone unless it’s Kobe Bryant which is what KG demonstrated last year. Jordan may have not have had a big man to throw the ball into but he did have the best defensive big man who got you 15 rebounds a game in Rodman. The Bulls were a 3 headed monster back when most teams were 1-2 man strong. Now in this era we have teams that have 3 allstars plus a couple of borderline allstars and very above average players like the Suns and teams like the Spurs have 3 allstars with there combo of you know who. What team doesn’t have 3 star level players? The Lakers happen to be one of them. If Kobe was traded to the Bulls he would have Deng as a second option and Kirk as a third plus Ben Wallace. That would absolutely be enough to not only win but I think be better then the Celtics and would easily dominate the east and if not this year but next beat the Spurs or whoever else comes out from the West. The Bulls would still be deep enough. They said they are not giving up Deng and the Lakers would have to pick between Gorden and Kirk and it makes sence for both teams if the Lakers pick Ben. I believe if MJ was 29 now and on the Lakers he would be in the same boat wanting to be traded or playing for the 7th-8th seed.
I here Kobe/Jordan arguements all the time and it hardly ever comes up that Jordan played against weaker comp back then. Now a days teams can have 3 allstars and one of them can be one of the best pg’s in the game in Jason Kidd and they lose in the first round. That wouldn’t have happened in Jordan’s era. The Nets for example with a trio of Carter/RJ/Kidd would be a top 3 team in the 90’s.
Back to topic, no matter what team Kobe is traded to if it is to the East that team will be a finals contender. Even if it is the Bobcats. Lets say Wallace and JRich for Kobe. Kobe can take the Bobcats with Okufor and Felton as his #2 and #3 guys and win the whole thing. This is what makes the Lakers so stupid. All they need to do is trade Odom for a healthy player like a Marion and trade Bynum for a proven star and they are good to go. Instead they might pass on the best player in the game for the potential of Andrew Bynum. Sad Mitch still has a job as the Lakers GM and I am stuck doing sales for under 30,000 per year.
Whatcha lips Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 10:30 am
I just read what chad said on oct 24th, He said kobe is in the top five or ten in history. What is wrong with this guy. Kobe is great dont get me wrong, But top five or ten in the history of the nba. no! And he will never be Jordan. Jordan won six with no big man. Kobe got his rings due to Shaq. And Shaq proved he didn’t need kobe to win one. Has kobe done that? nope. nuff said. shhhhhhhh
anthony Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 10:34 am
I predict Lebron wil have a similar career to Kevin Garnett if he stays in Cleveland.
anthony Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 10:37 am
I can’t think of many defensive guards better than Kobe. Bruce Bowan mostly plays forward on offense and defense.
Zaneox Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Drew, I read what you wrote on Kobe above and I must completely disagree with you. Kobe being more valuable than Dirk and Josh Howard? More valuable than the whole Bulls team? That has to be about the stupidest comment I’ve ever read on this website, and nobody would make either of those trades for Kobe if their lives depended on it.
Last time I checked, Dirk won MVP over Kobe last year and Mavs led the league in wins. The Bulls beat the defending champs in a playoff series and made the second round. Kobe and the Lakers barely scraped into the playoffs, then nearly got swept by the Suns and are a total mess BECAUSE of Kobe and his never ending selfishness.
Because the NBA has its share of what you call ‘thugs’, at least the vast majority learn how to play with their teammates. After all the time Kobe has been in the league he still does not know how to be a quality teammate - not to mention his own character flaws, half of which you mention in your speel, he has done. He is always going to fall short as a teammate and will continue to bring his team down.
They were a perennial contender until Kobe decided he had to be the man and decided to use the juice he had, and clean house. Now he wants out of a mess he created, and has alienated his teammates for the 50th time and leave the Lakers holding the can. Last time I checked basketball was a team game. Number 1 player my arse.
I would trade Kobe for the Nets Mascot ‘Sly’. That dog can play ball.
DJ HOTT Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 11:58 am
minnesota now trades, a.walker,m.jaric,and juwon howard
for boris diaw and marcus banks
Whatcha lips Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
I agree with some of the things Zaneox Said, But let not forget when Dirk get to the playoff’s or the off’s as we baller like to say. Dirk doesn’t show up Period, And that cat can’t play any defense to save his life, And everybody who watches the Nba knows that, ask Dirk does he want the M.V.P are that ring, and see what he says. after that performance he had in his last playoff game he should have given it back, This cat 7 feet tall playing like he 5′4 shooting fade aways…..come on now he knows better than that and i would take kobe over Dirk any day.But for Dirk and Josh Nope sorry wont be able to do! Kobe is not a thug. He may have issues we all do were human.
Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Whatcha lips
Top Ten is definite because he is already the nuber two best sg ever.
Plz name ten people and dont put wilt chamberlain or oscar roberson in it because tho they did good then kobe would destroy both of those guys
Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, ….. Kobe
Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
im with ya 100% ryan love. yea mitch is an idiot, i know joran is the greatest but damn kobe is good
Kingsblade Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
listen Siz33,
You obviously forgot that Jordan must have spent 6 years in college. What other explanation could there be? Bullfan283 couldn’t possibly be wrong. He is simply unaware of how to calculate 91-63. Can you blame him? He is only 8 years old after all….or is that 11? I can never get my math straight.
anthony Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
I KEEP READING THAT KOBE DROVE SHAQ OUT OF LA. That statement comes mostly from emotion and is not considering the business.
Picture this scenario, Kobe being paid 20 mil this year, Fat Shaq making 30 mil this year. That is 50 mil out of 57 mil salary cap. No team has two $20 mil plus players, not the knicks, not Phoenix, not even the Celtics! That would be crippling for a team.
One of them had to go. A business decision I can understand. Besides they lost the finals with a loaded team including Gary Payton and Karl Malone. Things were obviously not getting any better since they were going to lose these all stars to age/retirement.
Shaq took less with the the Heat. It was a better value to the heat for the talent received. It worked (for a year) because he didn’t totally rape the team of its payroll.
Now Shaq is no where near worth (20 mil) and it is affecting the team. Pat Riley is having a tough enough time bringing in talent this off season to replace old washed up players. No cap room Their owner is loaded, but he still wants to reduce payroll. Imagine if they had to pay Fat Shaq 10 more mil and Wade was making 7 more mil.
That could have been the Lakers future, for at least three more years! Its getting even easier to see in hindsight.
Kobe and Shaq weren’t close. But it was ultimately Jerry Buss’ decison to send Shaq on his way.
Unfortunately, it was the Lakers ending up with Brian Grant, Odom and Caron Butler. Mitch made it worse by trading Caron for Kwame Brown, signing free agents like Radmonovic, and extending contracts to Brian Cook, Chris Mihm and Maurice Evans.
Fire Mitch.
Siz33 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Kingsblade…thanks for the laugh…after last night I thought I was going to go out of my mind. He swears up and down Jordan was born in 60, then when he finally realizes he’s wrong, he starts claiming it was never about how old he was, and starts asking me random info about his life as a child. Who cares if you know random facts about him as a kid if you don’t know what year he was born, or that he has scored less than 25 points MANY times in his career. Truly bizarre.
Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
yea he was definetly a true bullfan what loser
Brian Boitono Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
The only trade that makes sense for the lakers would be KOBE to the KNICKS!!! the knicks would be able to give them a unique package of talent such as Jerome James, Malik Rose and Jarad Jeffries. These three guys all make some good coin. But the 3 for 1 trade would benifit both teams. Maybe the lakers would have to throw in a first round pick or two to make the knicks a little more eager to take on kobes bloated contract as well as guve up a potential dominating center in Jerome James. This would als allow the knicks to bring back nichols and Jared Jordan. TELLL MEEE THIS JUST MAKES SENSE PEOPLE!
Whatcha lips Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
wass goog chad, Im keep it real with ya tho, Did you for get about Bill Russuel{11rings}, Bernard king. Shaq in his prime{ i’ll take shaq in is prime then kobe in his} you got to put oscar roberson in there even if you dont like him he avg a double double playboy.Dr. J he changed the game mane. magic, bird, jordon, hakim the dream. kareem, i mean the list goes on, see you watch basketball to today, Its important to know the history of the game, and i can give you more people better than kobe, I can do it all day, whatch old clips on espn mane and read up on it, and you will see kobe not in the top ten. No way near,
Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
he averaged a triple double playboy, yes dr j changed the game but kobe’s skill surpasses his and roberson, your right on bill russell.. Hakeem are you joking? Kobe at the end of his career will undoubtedly be top 10 in history. Shaq, to bad his prime was four years that he could have been better but he lacked work ethic. I wont even bring up bernard king, those mvp and titles mean nothing to me when the leauge was weak. only late 70s and 80s players when it was at its peak should be mentioned. Bernard king, and do i say oscar roberson… kobe and lebron gimme two better than them other than the four and i named bill russell. sorry old man you’ve lost this one. Please name ten please
Whatcha lips Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
wow playboy you really trying to throw shot huh??, You funny mane, i’m 30. And if you ask kobe who the top ten player in the nba ever, he wouldn’t put his name in there whoadie. and i got 20 stacks on that playboy feel me put ya money up. are be quiet shhhhhhh{20 stacks is 20thousands} I can tell you live in the suburb, Cuz from the hood were the game came from…….. you wouldn’t have nobody agreeing with ya, But got head…… we all got our lil thought….. some real and some make belive,hehehehehehe you too much, next please
Whatcha lips Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
we laughing at you chad with this line{I wont even bring up bernard king, those mvp and titles mean nothing to me when the leauge was weak. only late 70s and 80s players when it was at its peak should be mentioned} my boy richard yes richard Jefferson of the nets.he right here laughing at the one. mane you to much
Whatcha lips Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
70’s,80’s was great and dont for get the 90’s if was really on an poppin. But kobe is in the top 18 i give you that
Whatcha lips Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
i’ll holla later i’m gone
Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Wow really, mr. richard jefferson …you mean the one that talks like a girl. i didnt know he was from the hood??what a great player. He wouldnt even be on an nba team back then so dont bring him up. 20,000 from him or drugs. 20,000 means nothin to me, save your money so you can get out the hood and into the suburbs, oh yea 20,000 wouldnt even get you in the door.
Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Besides ive seen kobe eat up jefferson every time they play. But you still didnt answer the question? Your top ten and top 5 sg of all time. please enlighten me. Until then …
P. Smitty Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
I’m sorry, but, Kobe, whether you like it or not is going to go down as 1a best shooting guard ever. Jordan is 1. Take the following factors out of the equation, media coverage and rape trial, and Kobe is on the level with Jordan. Jordan himself said the only two people who could make the triangle work are Kobe and himself. Honestly, real talk, in an individual assessment of skill Kobe is clearly better than Jordan. The thing is there would be no Kobe without Jordan. Break it down:
Defense- Kobe. Jordan had Pippen who guards the most talented player, position 1-3, sometimes 4 on the other team. Not to mention called out all defensive positions, screens, etc. Tex and Phil said so.
Jumper- Kobe. Jordan did not have anywhere near the range Kobe did.
Post work- Equal
Fast Break- Kobe, slightly
Clutch/Killer Instinct- last shot, really, would you bet against either. Clearly equal.
Handle- Kobe, slightly
Quickness and Leaping ability- equal
Court vision- Kobe, slightly
Rebounding- Kobe, slightly
Honestly, Jordan couldnt have survived the media onslaught Kobe has received. They shielded Jordan because he was good for business. Reporters couldnt even ask questions that werent fluff for fear of their jobs. This is a guy who punched out two team mates, his father was killed as a result of his gamlbing debts, cheated on his wife numerous times, had his ribs broke by Ron Artest for joking to much, and covered it up. When MJ came in the league all you heard about was how bad he was for basketball and how he rolled with questionable people, aka entourage. He didnt have Youtube, court tv, blogs, reports with worldwide access in minutes. Please…
Now, talent wise what differentiates Jordan from Kobe was the path to excellency he took. He was a highschool star, but not like Kobe was, and nobody in his family was in the NBA. He was a great college player but was corralled some by Dean Smith. All of that developed that “it” factor. The only thing Jordan has more of than Kobe. Because, clearly, individual skill Kobe has oodles more. Most games I wouldnt bet against either. A series, I take Jordan every time, individually, Kobe. But, again, Kobe’s 81 was just as ball-hoggish as Jordan 63 in Boston. Also, it just proved they are both so much more highly skilled than there competition. No one or two people can really stop either one. Nobody when they get it going.
ps- I’m a Kobe fan and yes D Wade did punish Kobe for 40. But, he moves through fifty screens, which no one stepped up on the other side, and he was guarding Luke Walton all game! He played one half of the game. Posey and all other 3 players were shadowing Kobe. Please dont mention Lebron. They just all together hide him. They dont even put him on Walton. Please. Not to mention Wade better develop some sort of jumper because if not he wont be playing past 30. He’s to reckless. Iverson could do that because he was a physical specimen. Thats just good genes. Two major injuries at only 24-25 and Wade is working on retirement. Lebron, please. I thought he figured it out. But any guy who allows a midrange jumper to keep them from 50 a game, all the spurs did was back up and dare him to shoot, is a bum. I dont care how he sees the court. You’re a superstar and sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands especially when your team is going down.
P. Smitty Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Plus Wade travels on the spin, all the time. And nobody palms the ball more…
Kingsblade Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
You could include George Gervin and Jerry West in a conversation about all time great shooting guards.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
HEY Lil sis and lil fat chad that’s all you sorry asses do come in here and make no sense go ahead and read what you are putting up on the board half of the stuff you are saying does not face me, and again i was only trying too prove when jordan won his first title, and his date of birth was something i threw in while you and lilfat chad were swinging on each others nuts just like right now.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
lol lol there goes another sissy, hey kingdale why dont you swing on lil sis left nut while lil fat chad swings on the right one. krazy you guys come in here like you guys are here too prove something, you guys obviously dont have anything else too do and you say i’m 8 years old. if i’m here checking out the board is because i’m at work. believe me that does not face me. like i said you have something else too say i’m right here bring it. i have read some of the stuff you guys put, and damn you guys are ridiculus, to what you guys put up on this board.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
hey brian biotono keep it real man you better give up someting else too get kobe those players are not even half of the stats kobe puts up for the lakers. you see lil sis and lil fat chad that is the kind of stuff you guys have been putting up for the last 3 days or nights believe! i’m going to catch you slippin and we will see who is right. Obviously you’re in here too prove something, but will see lil homeboys!!!!!!
Bullfan283 Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
hey ryan love keep it quiet what you mean jordan had it in a weaker era that is not true, plus jordan had too earn every point in his time because in jordan’s time was not getting the calls kobe is getting, kobe get’s some lame calls and spends most of the time in the free throw line, and in jordan’s era he was facing the pistons and the knicks, and his time this two teams were mad rivalry’s plus he did have too go through davdi robinson from the spurs, and clyde, hakeem, and wilkins and etc……… you got too be out you damn mind just like lis sis and lil fat chad, and again this is the type of nonsense they are coming up with, and knowing them they will be here in a bit trying too wolf, because this two lil sissy’s is the only thing they can do sale more wolf tickets!!!!!!
Lil Fat Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
lol, hey bullfan!!! i see you came back from beating off to a michael jordan poster or was it space jam …. so did you find a calculator yet? sissy lol sissy… lame ass
Lil Fat Chad Said,
October 26, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
so what do you think “jordan rules” were you idiot
Siz33 Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Bullfan, again, I will offer you my screen name, address, and phone number if you actually want to talk. What am I saying that is wrong? Tell me. I corrected you on his birthday, and I could probably correct you on your spelling, grammar, and punctuation as well, but I don’t because it’s a waste of time. The reason why people are picking on you is because you can’t write to save your life, and you can’t make a point, much less prove one. You just get angry, and start calling names like we’re in 8th grade or something. It’s a joke. Go ahead, I honestly don’t care what you call me, it’s a hoopshype forum. Grow up.
Actually, I’ll correct your last paragraph. I’m bored.
‘Hey Ryan Love, Keep it quiet. What do you mean that Jordan played in a weaker era? That isn’t true, besides which, Jordan had to earn every point in his time because he wasn’t getting the calls Kobe currently gets. Kobe gets lame calls and spends most of the time at the free throw line. In Jordan’s era, he was facing the Pistons and the Knicks, and in his time these two teams were mad rivalries. He also had to go through David Robinson of the Spurs, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem, Wilkens, etc… You must be out of your damn mind just like lil’ Sis and lil’ fat Chad. This is the type of nonsense they are coming up with, and knowing them, they will be here in a bit trying to wolf since the only thing these two little sissies can do is sell more wolf tickets!’
That is how an educated adult would write a sentence. Look into it.
Siz33 Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Ha, actually, it’s how an educated adult would write a paragraph, not a sentence. My mistake. See how I did that? Admitted a mistake? It’s not so hard.
Troy Herron Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 12:35 am
TO MEE I DONT NO WHY EVERYONE SEEMS TO WANT TO TRADED GORDON AND THOMAS. I MEAN WHAT HAS DENG DONE TO PROVE THAT HE IS BETTER THAN GORDON, DONT GET MEE WRONG I LOVE DENG, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THEM AND THINK YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT GORDON HAS THE BETER UP SIDE. AND THOMAS, HE SAID ONE BAD THING ABOUT THE DUNK CONTEST AND EVERYBODY TURNS AGAINST HIM, HE SPENDS HIS ENTIRE OFFSEASON TRYING TO IMPROVE HIS JUMPER AND REVITLIZE HIS IMAGE AND WE CANT SEEM TO FORGIVE HIM. I WONDER WHAT WE WOULD DO IF IT WAS NOAH WHO SAID IT, WOULD WE BE AS HARD ON HIM ?
Bullfan283 Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Hey lil sis see that’s what i’m trying too tell you, how can you come in here and try too correct somebody in there puctuantion and spelling we are not here too see who can spell better, we are here too talk and make comments about the N.B.A. we are not in school here. so please can you stop that ingnorace of yours, i’m also not here to write and essay about a story of history, and you expect me too do it correct come on man you got too be serious take that stuff somewhere else lol lol lol lol, now this is some krazy shit!!
Siz33 Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Bullfan, this is how this argument started:
‘hey james get your facts together i’m a bull fan but your making us look bad jordan won his first ring at the age of 30 SIR not 27 remember he got drafted in “84 and won the first one in “91 and you do the math he was 23 going on 24 when he was drafted. his birthdate is on feb, 17 1960 do be fool!!!!’
We all know this is riddled with wrong information. Jordan was 28 when he won his first title, making him 21 when he was drafted, not 23. And his birthday was in 1963, not 1960. YOU’RE the one who started this whole thing of ignorance. How can you make a point when your facts are wrong? Then, I correct your NBA information over and over again, and then correct your 4th grade writing skills. That’s not ignorance. That’s embarrassing you and making you look like a fool. Either way, I’m done with this blog, I’m done with you. See you in the next discussion when you tell me Lebron James went to Duke for 2 years, came out and got drafted by the Celtics, and was born in 1974. According to you, he might even be Chinese.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 3:24 am
lils sis again yes i did say that there is nothing wrong, your’re just here too make it seem like your shit dont stink, and by the way you keep going back and forth with the jordan thing, and not too long ago you were trying too be a teacher, on how i’m not spelling my stuff the right way and with all this punctuation type of shit. come on man just listen too the shit you are saying, half of the stuff you’re saying is a bunch none making sense. so if you can go and try to say something about my spelling which this does not have to be even brought up in here becaues, i’m still talking basketball and you are still ignorant please stop man can you? lol lo lol lol lol you dont face me mann!!!!
Matt Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Kobe should be traded like what mini did to KG. Rebuild! You have a promising bynum and javaris, let them grow because odom will never play a full season, he’s very injury prone. Kobe in chicago, thats gud, but for who?! nacioni, gordon, tyrus/noah, pick, money. thats a lot! its better to get the matrix with barbosa and diaw. Matrix wants to be traded and be the first guy, wer he cant be in phoenix, barbosa and diaw will have a good chance of being an all star caliber. But, if kobe really wants to win why dont go to the claveland and pair with the king. Hughes, Gibson, Gooden, and possibly a sign and trade with varejao and sasha.
P. Smitty Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
George Gervin and Jerry West should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan and Kobe.
david Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
They weren’t.
Dan Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
ALL NBA DECADE
2000s
PG. Jason Kidd
SG. Kobe Bryant
SF. Tracy McGrady/Lebron James
PF. Tim Duncan
C. Shaquille O’Neal
1990
PG. John Stockton
SG. Michael Jordan
SF. Grant Hill/Scottie Pippen
PF. Karl Malone
C. David Robinson/Hakeem Olajuwon
Any suggestions
Dan Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Oh and jordan was born in 1963.Your just plain wrong Bullfan
And Chad, kobe is good but not jordan, not yet at least.
Brian Boitono Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
the all knowing king of figure skating and basketball has artrived Kobe straighht up for sean bradley
Kingsblade Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
“George Gervin and Jerry West should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan and Kobe.”
Like David said….they weren’t. Except for the sentence you just wrote where you did exactly that.
Kingsblade Said,
October 27, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
I don’t even know what bullfan is even saying anymore. He doesn’t even make sense. Maybe he need to type with two hands or something instead of constantly holding on to his ‘baby Jordan.’
DJ HOTT Said,
October 28, 2007 @ 9:01 am
chris, i think the lakers are smoking herb to say they want
deng,gordon,j.noah,and tyrus thomas, thats way to much and leaves them with no bench, unless they sign c.wbber and pj brown to minimums
that brings the roster to
g-hinrinch g-duhon pj brown
g-k.bryant g-t.safosha j.curry
f-a.nocioni f-v.khyrpa
f-joe smith f-c.webber
c-b.wallace c-aaron gray
the bulls are young and havent been together long enough to make that trade, i cant believe houston is not in the kobe sweepstakes, i think they have assetts, and with tmac not winning 1st rd last year,
if the lakers want a allstar, not future allstar for kobe
i think they should pull for a tmac,battier,l.head
for kobe,&b.cook, which team could go wrong?
unless the lakers can make the bulls take a, b.gordon,nocioni,t.thomas,j.noah, for a kobe,b.cook trade
id be on the phone with houston?
g-r.alston g-m.james g-aaron brooks
g-k.bryant g-s.francis f-c.hayes
f-b.wells f-s.novak
f-l.scola f-b.cook
c-yao c-mutumbo
lakers
g-d.fisher g-j.crittenton g-j.farmar
g-t.mac g-mo evans g-l.head
f-s.battier f-l.walton
f-l.odom f-r.turiaf
c-a.bynum-c.k.brown
then they still have,vujacic,radmonovic,c.mihm,sun yue,marc gasol,and coby karl
I PREDICT KOBE WILL STAY IN LA, SCORE 32PPG, AND BE TRADED WHEN THEY SUCK BY THE BREAK,ITS TO EARLY TO MAKE A TRADE
AND THE LAKERS, WANT TO WIN IN THE TRADE
SO THEY WILL WHEN BY FEBRUARY
Dan Said,
October 28, 2007 @ 10:05 am
The more the lakers wait, the less they will get, because teams know kobe wants to opt out anyway so the wont give them a better deal, especially not mcgrady, the rockets gm already said that.
Scotty2Hotty Said,
October 28, 2007 @ 10:12 am
That was hilarious what chad said to whatcha lips about richard jefferson
He does talk kinda like a chick
BullsPassion Said,
October 28, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Hey ‘Bullfan283′ you are ridiculous. Stop typing, only watch Bulls games, refrain from using a computer.
christos Said,
October 28, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
hey guys…just reading through the comments for fun…um…there are a few things i think i should adress…
firstly…jordan is greater than kobe, but kobe is better than jordan…ie jordan’s legend is greater because he was around in a time where sports around the world were primed to embrace a greatest…look at maradona v kaka, sampras v agassi, etc…it is just the nature of human evolution that the best in a later generation will surpass the one in the former…kobe only just broke elgin baylor’s records, but if you see baylor play…well i literally am better than baylor in his prime, but i don’t have anything to show…
ok, second, i think that kobe should not be traded to anyone…its in his best interest as well as mine and la’s (ps im not actually from la)…i think the best trade involving the lakers would be k.brown, a.bynum, and j.crittenton (if necessary) for joe johnson…this would give kobe a 2nd option (lamar is really more suited to a 3rd option) and give atlanta a solid 1 and 5 for the future to complete their portland-rivalling squad…this will not backfire for the lakers or the hawks, because johnson is not going to win at hawks, and kobe and bynum wont win together unlesss bryant plays until he is 40 and for the veterans minimum etc…i also think if its is possible, the lakers should trade odom for gasol…i think gasol is a perfect fit for kobe as he has a high basketball iq, has soft hands (lol at kwame), can rebound and defend, finish on a jumpshot or at the basket and if he brings navarro with him, would give kobe an awesome drive and dish combo…plus lakers drafted marc gasol
um…basketball didnt come from the hood…it came from indiana…i think even hoodies are outlawed there…plus a few european countries started playing basketball before people in the ‘hood’…
also…kobe doesn’t need a superstar team-mate nor is he a bad passer/team-mate/worker within tem concept etc…if one watched a full laker game, not highlights, kobe should be averaging 7-8 assists per game…the fact that he doesnt is due to the lacklustre supporting cast…i think he needs solid players around him who are committed to winning as much as he is…pau gasol is not a superstar…even jermaine o’neal is more heralded than him…but JO is noy, in my opinion a good complement…spurs win because tim can kick it to ginobili/bowen for an outside shot, parker can split the d and if he wants do the same, bowen can guard the oppositions best player out of the game, etc…they all complement eachother…mavs dont win, because they all essentially run and shoot…they sont have a real dog on defence (like bowen or artest or even raja bell), they dont have a post presence, they dont have an amazing passing team, but they are all talented players, which is why they can’t get over the bump…radmanovic should stay, he can shoot and has a high basketball iq, just keep him off the slopes, and walton works well too…6-12 lakers might have one of the better teams, and 1-1 they are the best team…they just need to up the ability of the 2-5 and the cohesion…kobe is perennially a high assist man and good scorer at all-star games etc…although these are not ‘real’ games, they are testament to how he can pass and is willing to work with team-mates who will reciprocate the same intensity and skill level…
i feel as though i am writing a message to buss/kupchak/buss, but alas i am merely posting a comment on a website no-one of significance will see it…not having a shot at you guys in the forum…i meant GM’s etc
ps on that note, can we not partake in the name-calling?if chad is so fat, how could he hang off siz33’s nuts?and if you didn’t know my all-time scoring low is 25 points in a game…yeah…for real…even when i just started plaing…in my senior year…when i was 32…haha…just taking the piss man…no harm
ok bye
jade Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 1:20 am
buss was going to trade shaq anyway
it wasnt totally kobe’s fault for trading shaq
thats the way buss family manage this franchise
after they use the good players they trade them
and they blamed it on kobe for shaq
COREYMO Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 9:45 am
CELTICS WILL SIGN JUWAN HOWARD, BIG BABY WILL BE THE BACKUP CENTER, THE CELTICS TRADE TONY ALLEN,KEN PERKINS,&SCALABRINE, FOR KWAME BROWN, THE NEW LOOK CELTICS
G-R.RHONDO G.PRUITT
G-RAY ALLEN G-E.HOUSE
F-P.PIERCE F-J.POSEY
F-K.GARNETT F-J.HOWARD
C-K.BROWN C-G.DAVIS
Hammond Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Jordan was born Feb. 17th, 1963.
COREYMO Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
isiah thomas is a sex offender
COREYMO Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
NO GILBERT FOR KOBE, COULD DO SHOT ATTEMPT ARTIST WORK
HOW BOUT A CARON BUTLER,A.JAMISON,NICK YOUNG FOR KOBE&B.COOK, TRADE
YET AGAIN KOBE NO BIG MAN, BUT 2 UNSTOPPABLE GUARDS, AND MAYBE A FREE AGENT LANDING
G-A.DANIELS G-SIGN EARL BOYKINS
G-G.ARENAS G-SIGN A.HOUSTON
F-K.BRYANT F-
F-D.SONGALIA F-B.COOK
C-B.HAYWOOD C-E.THOMAS
COREYMO Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
LAKERS GO BIG
G-D.FISHER G-J.CRITTENTON
G-C.BUTLER G-N.YOUNG
F-L.ODOM F-L.WALTON
F-A.JAMISON F-R.TURIAF
C-A.BYNUM C-K.BROWN
COREYMO Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
WIZARDS THEN SIGN CHRIS WEBBER
OR PJ BROWN
AND CONTEND IN THE EAST
Dan M Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
There is absolutely no way you trade Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, and Joakim Noah for Kobe Bryant. For one, Kobe has been in the nba for 12 years, has reached his peak and will only decline. What ever moron thought up this trade should be fired. That would be like the Bulls offering Chris Duhon, Victor Khryapa, Cash Considerations, and a second round pick for Bryant. For one, you could get two superstars for those 4 Bulls players. For example, Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas to Miami for Dwayne Wade. Then package Luol Deng, Joakim Noah, and 2 first round picks to Cleveland for LeBron James. Paxson will not give up the 22 year old rising star in Luol Deng. If the Lakers would take Gordon, Nocioni, and Noah, then that might be a fair deal. Although Nocioni can’t be traded until I believe Dec.15 since he just signed a 45 million dollar 5 year extension. The lineups would be Hinrich, Bryant, Deng, Smith, Wallace, with Duhon, Sefolosha, Griffin, Thomas,and Gray coming off the bench. Meanwhile the Lakers would have Fisher, Gordon, Nocioni, Odom, Bynum, with Farmar, Evans, Walton, Noah, Cook, Brown, Mihm, and J.Crittenton.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 29, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
you guys need too make sense the lakers will not take an injured jamison and a injured butler, and maybe not even arenas this guys got injured in the last minute of the regular season. you guys need to really watch what you guys put up on this comment board lol lol lol lol that does not make sense. i’m a bull fan as you can see but i think that he has a better chance of landing with the bulls because of the players we have i would’nt doubt that thomas, noah will leave but that will not include deng and that is for sure, meaning gordon, noah, noccioni’s, and duhon and possible a future 1st round pick.
the lakers dont have a choice now he is not caring, because he is faking that injured wrist and now he did make a ruthless comment on phil jackson. it is obvious he will be leaving. the lakers dont have a choice but too trade a player that does not want too be a laker, but it is the lakers fault because they are making this too long. i dont see anybody else but the bulls making a fair trade that is bottom line. i’m not saying that we need kobe, kobe needs us but paxson will not trade deng i know that for a fact.
bobkat419 Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 6:27 am
the lakers are making one of the most ridiculous mistakes in sports history.And as a long time laker fan i am both shocked and appauled, kobe is without a doubt the closest thing to micheal jordan that the league has…and to trade him after trading perhaps the most dominant center ever to lace em up…..why??he is the best player out there but even jordan needed some help.Why not trade for jermain oneal or jason kidd.I truly believe that the big crowds that the lakers were getting has spoiled the front office into thinking “why get better players when people are paying to see these bums”… i have lost faith in this post jerry west front office.and then they sign extensions on two role players in bynum and farmar???? what the hell is going on over there fellas???myself my father and his father before him have always bled purple and gold but for the life of me i cant recognize the orginization that i used to love and quite frankly it saddens me to say that where kobe goes i go…the buss family has broken my heart for the last time.Shame on you buss family your legacy is tainted
COREYMO Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 9:54 am
well with no deng, the bulls have to let hinrich go, how can the bulls really want kobe, but wont give up deng, or hinrich?
well i think the exception on hinrich would be, for a kobe bryant.
so the trade looks like,kobe&j.farmar for ben gordon,hinrich,jokim noah,and nocioni&pick
so bulls look
g-c.duhon8.2PTS6.9ASTS g-j.farmar
g-k.bryant 28.8PPG g-t.sabolosha
f-loul deng 18.8PPG f-v.krhypa
f-t.thomas 10.8PTS 7.2 f-j.smith
c-b.wallace 6.2 12.8 c-a.gray
I can dig it
THE LAKERS NOW LOOK LIKE
G-K.HINRICH G-J.CRITTENTON PF-B.COOK
G-B.GORDON G-D.FISHER SG-VUCAJIC
F-L.ODOM F-L.WALTON
F-JOKIM NOAH F-A.NOCIONI
C-A.BYNUM C-K.BROWN
anthony Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Are you kidding me, paxson won’t give up deng for Kobe. A POTENTIAL all-star for the best player on the planet still strapping on sneakers.
I believe paxson will regret that decision when his squad eventually runs out of potential. It is only a couple of years before a scrapy overachieving underdog team turns into a good team just ONE PLAYER shy of making it to the finals. How many teams out there are just a superstar away from becoming favorites, I count about half league.
Deng is a nice player, but a superstar he will never be.
I can see the Lakers having Kobe sit for a while to soften his trade demands. Why should the Lakers trade for $20 million in average player contracts when they already have 12 average players under contract?
COREYMO Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
they shouldnt, these are all just dreams of bulls fans,
the only trades that make since, for the lakers, would be
kobe for tmac&,s.francis,&pick
or kobe to detroit for rip&tayshaun, or a kobe to nj for richard jefferson,n.krystic, and pick
or kobe &brian cook for a.jamison,c.butler,and nick young
and last but not least, not a high percentage of a phoenix trade,
but i could see a kobe to phoenix-for s.marion&barbosa- and then mr eddie johnson, there is no way the spurs beat the suns to the ring
g-s.nash m.banks
gk.bryant d.strawberry
f-r.bell g.hill
f-b.diaw f-pj,brown or webber
c-a.stoudemi re c-b.skinner
or hoston
g-r.alston g-m.james g-aaron brooks
g-k.bryant g-l.head 4,,5,3-b.cook
f-s.battier f-b.wells
f-l.scola f-c.hayes
c-yao c-mutumbo
08 lottery
1.minnesota-oj mayo
2.seattle derrick rose
3.portland m.beasley
4.memphis n.batum
5.atlanta-to phoenix-roy hibbert
6.la clippers-e.gordon
7.milwaukee-d.jordan
8.sacramento-j.bayless
9.new orleans-c.budinger
10.philadelphia-darrell arthur
11.charlotte-k.koufos
12.indiana-d.collision
13.toronto-h.thabeet
14.
TBONE Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
I would not give up three front line players for Kobe, as good as he is and I believe indeed he is the best player in the NBA.
I think a reasonable Bulls package would be two starters such as Hinrich/Gordan or Deng/Hinrich, and one primising young player such as Noah or Thomas. That would give the Lakers two immediate starters and one very promising young player. It would leave the Bulls in a good position to complement KOBE with talent enough to get to the NBA finals and possbily win if KOBE can carry them the way Jordan jused to be able to do!
anthony Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
In my opinion it seems Kobe is saying the right things, but it is not puting 100% out on the court.
If that is true, that shows unprofessionalism and bad character.
christos Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
who thinks anything about k.brown (expiring contract), andrew bynum and j. crittenton for joe johnson?
A.Law, J.Crittenton
J.Childress, S.Stoudamire
J.Smith, M.Williams
A.Horford, S.Williams
A.Bynum, Z.Pachulia
In 5 years that competes with Portland for championship…they will have the two most complete lineups and depth to match…
then…
D.Fisher, J.Farmar
K.Bryant, S.Vujacic
J.Johnson, L.Walton
L.Odom, V.Radmanovic, R.Turiaf
C.Mihm, L.Turner
ideally a trade of l.odom and b.cook and maybe some other nobody for p.gasol would look like
fisher, kobe, johnson, radmanovic, gasol w/ walton and turiaf off the bench
last but not least…although this would never happen, the lakers need to get dimitrios diamantidis from greece…he can pass, shoot, is clutch and probably the best point guard defender in the world…
SL= Diamantidis
(defence, run offence, shoot 3’s, major assists…in the west would be invaluable as he would guard nash, parker, williams, paul etc…)
Bryant
(speaks for himself…but note that his defence would improve as a result of a more team oriented game)
Johnson
(not as killer as bryant, but just as versatile…who would you get bruce bowen/shawn marion/andrei kirilenko to guard? kobe? joe johnson would eat up the spare wing defender…unless bowen guards him…then what would kobe do…get it)
Walton - mad passing game, Radmanovic - Shooter and is a great passer (not assist man…he is a smart passer though), or Turiaf - energy, rebound, hustle, doesnt need ball on offence therefore could set picks all day for stars to get free…
Gasol
(under-rated…not a superstar, but amazing complementary for kobe…works hard, can make his own post moves, can step out and hit 15 footer, soft touch…kobe will actually have some trust in a team mate when he drives and drops it off low…also is good for 10-12 rebounds a night esp. with a good perimeter defence like this…can block shots)
Bench…more than likely anyone who gets gasol, will get navarro…so there is an extra shooter, good back up 2 guard…fisher can be more effective off the bench as he can keep his energy…same with mihm
i dont think anyone would compete with this team…and the main thing is these players are good enough for kobe’s approval, and to win games PLUS they will not outshine him therefore allowing it to still be his team…
I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO FIND ME A TEAM, IN EITHER CONFERENCE, THAT WOULD BEAT THIS TEAM…SPURS/SUNS/HOUSTON/DALLAS/BOSTON/CHICAGO/DETROIT/TEAM USA/ETC
3 PLAYERS WHO CAN GIVE YOU 30+ POINTS
3 PLAYERS WHO CAN GIVE YOU 2+ STEALS
4 PLAYERS WHO CAN GIVE YOU 10+ ASSISTS
WHOLE TEAM WHICH CAN FORCE ANY OTHER TO BELOW 40 SHOOTING
WHOLE TEAM WHO CHALLENGES EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER IN OPPOSING TEAM FROM PG TO C
BENCH CAPAPBLE OF 30-40 PTS (THINK ABOUT IT…FISHER, NAVARRO, RADMANOVIC 10PTS EACH)
NASH WILL BE LESS EFFECTIVE…DIAMANTIDIS WILL STOP HIM A BIT, BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE THE PLAYERS HE PASSES TO WILL BE GUARDED MORE EFFECTIVELY
NOWITZKI WILL AVG 15PTS AGAINST THIS TEAM
WADE WILL BE FORCED TO SHOOT JUMPSHOTS, AS HE’S NOT BEATING THESE PERIMETER GUARDS
LEBRON DITTO
PARKER WILL BE GUARDED OUT OF THE GAME, GINOBILI WILL GET TIRED GUARDING EITHER PERIMETER THREAT THEREFORE NOT SCORING, BOWEN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GUARD EVERYBODY, TIM WILL BE LESS EFFECTIVE AS HE WILL HAVE TO PLAY A LOT OF 1-0N-1
HOUSTON IS PROBABLY THE BEST CHANCE OF MATCHING UP, BUT KOBE>T.MAC, HOUSTON HAS 4 PG, SO REALLY NO PG, YAO WILL GET HIS 20/10 BUT ON LOW EFFICIENCY GETTING HOUNDED BY TURIAF/HAVING TO GUARD GASOL
THIS TEAM CAN RUN N GUN OR WALK IT IN THE HALF COURT…AND IT CAN BE REALISTICALLY MADE…UNDER THE SALARY CAP…OR AT LEAST AT THE SAME LEVEL LAKERS ARE AT NOW
CHALLENGE ME!!! ANYOE WHO CAN THINK OF A TEAM THAT WOULD BEAT THIS ONE…AND WORLD ALL-STAR TEAMS DON’T COUNT…ACTUAL NBA TEAMS EVEN WITH A TWEAKING…
for now…tah
Bullfan283 Said,
October 30, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
hey man!!!!!! all you guys that come up in here need too keep it real, and i’m serious hear comments that kobe should go too the the rockets that can work but again, they will not trade him too another western team that’s 1. and him going to the HAWKS is just going back too where he is now why trade another full roster to the oposite team that has nothing to offer. yes the hawks do have good talent, but they still have too prove them selves, and why! should they just switch the chairs does not make any sense. So please can you guys come in here and make some serious! Comments.
anthony Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 9:04 am
the Bulls aren’t serious about trading for Kobe. Kobe has given the Bulls great negotiating power by saying his preference would be to go to chicago. yet the bulls aren’t offering anything near fair value. it must be insulting to the Lakers. chicago has to give up its best player on the team, if it wants the best player in the world.
looks like paxson is gonna screw this one up.
anthony Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 9:11 am
christos,
that team would be fun to watch and would win many games. however, it needs some muscle that can defend the many power forwards out West.
Bernie Friedman Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Get a life all you BB crazies. Kobe,Kobe as long as the moron fans and pay there hard earned money to watch in mature BB players you are worse then they are. Remember they could care less if you lost your job and couldn’t come to watch them count there money. As long as the sheep show up the owners.players will take your money……GET A LIFE ……
dj hott Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
juwan howard signed with the mavs.
the bulls,lakers,and suns, are disguising a 3-way
with the bulls-getting kobe lakers getting marion&b.gordon-suns getting
tyrus thomas,jokim noah,duhon
if this happens-teams look like
lakers
g-d.fisher g-j.farmar
g-b.gordon g-mo evans
f-s.marion f-l.walton
f-l.odom f-b.cook
c-kwame brown c-bynum
bulls
g-k.hinrich g-j.curry or a.barrett
g-k.bryant g-t.safolosha
f-l.deng v.khyrpa
f-joe smith nocioni
c-b.wallace c-aaron gray
suns
g-s.nash g-c.duhon
g-r.bell g-l.barbosa
f-g.hill f-a.tucker
f-b.diaw f-tyrus thomas
c-a.stoudemire c-jokim noah
looks like everybody wins if this trade works
and atlanta wont get rid of joe johnson, unless its for kobe, and kobe isnt going to atlanta,do to the record, and m.vick& rapper T.I.
kudos to kobes, 40 pt loss
dj hott Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
and paul gasol is going nowhere, just like memphis
anthony Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
that would be a crappy deal for the suns. shawn marion for tyrus thomas, noah, and duhon.
tyrus thomas would back up diaw, noah is a throw away since he does not have NBA skills or body, and duhon would probably not even break into their 8 man rotation. Plus you don’t want grant hill playing starter minutes, he might not last the regular season. I am sure steve nash would be really excited to wait for thomas to develop.
Disgruntled Kobe Fan Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
ok this stops NOW
1. For all you people that continue to blame Kobe for the dismantling of the Hall of Fame Laker Team from 2003-2004 obviously have not been paying attention closely to the sports news as of lately and are simply talking out of their ass. In case you missed out, the moves that management were NOT contingent on what Kobe had to say. They were being sneaky, telling Kobe one thing, and then executing another thing, only to allow Kobe to take the fall and the blame because that was the “right thing to do”. Kobe played with Shaq for how long until that happened and they did how well and if you dont remember correctly Phil and Shaq knew that Kobe’s time was coming with meant that the offense began to dhift noticably to allow Kobe more freedom and control….he didnt ask for them to be fired or traded, that was management’s fuck up.
2. You people that are Kobe bashers are so funny because no matter what Kobe does he’ll always be the subject of ridicule and unfair comparisons to MJ. He’s KOBE BRYANT!!! yes there are similarities in their game and yes he has that “I can’t and won’t be stopped” mentality that Jordan had, but he has handles Jordan never developed, strength once he goes to the rack that Jordan didnt have until later in his career, he’s proven this summer that he’s a great teammate when given the opportunity and can play well within the context of a structured offense that isnt designed to “put the ball in Kobe’s hands and move out of the way”. Shaq couldnt get over the hump with any guard until they began to embrace the fact that Kobe was a phenomenal teammate….Hello??? Game 6 of the 2000 Western Conference Final against Portland……who threw the lob pass to Shaq to change the momentum of the game? Not Fish….Not Shaw….not Fox….Kobe….he has his own game and actually if you REALLY pay attention to how he’s played over the years….doesnt play like Jordan at all….just certain little moves that he’s perfected to work within the context of the triangle offense….get off it.
Disgruntled Kobe Fan Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
3. People hate Kobe so much because he reminds them so much of Jordan and people hate having to face the fact that someone has come along in the same mold that is a better player in a game that may not be nearly as physical as the game Jordan played in, but has bigger bodies, faster feet, they ALL can jump out the gym, and they all have the same basic basketball knowledge that those players had back during Jordan’s era in addition to being more bigger stronger and more athlethic. It’s only fitting that skills-wise Kobe is better than Jordan. And, given a real opportunity instead of being hung out there to drive he IS that team player that can make players better the way Jordan did. Jordan didnt have allstars per-say, but Jordan had closers on both 3 peat teams…..Paxton made shots and knew his role within the offense and did JUST that, Grant (unlike Kwame) actually had common sense and understood the concept of paying attention in the game, which made doing his role easy, havin Rodman on your team was like having a combination of Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, and Ben Wallace all wrapped up into one player on your team….he was outrebounding and outdefending and frustrating whomever and whatever was in his way…..TONI KUKOC was the left-handed Pedro Stoakavic (spelling is wrong but u know wat I mean) who could hit a shot from anywhere in and outside, Ron Harper was an explosive shooting guard who could handle the rock like a point and did just that which created match-up problems during the era of the sub-6 ft point guards (they’re mostly between 6′0 and 6′4 now even though there are exceptions)
Disgruntled Kobe Fan Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Michael Jordan’s Bulls were like combining the Pheonix Suns, San Antonio Spurs, and Detroit Pistons and making them one team during an era when teams were really not that good and there were more players who were in the NBA that would not have made the roster in today’s NBA…..of course they dominated and of course he came off as a better team player…he could 40 within the context of the offense and not have to play hard because he has what would equate to in today’s NBA 5 all-stars to every other team’s 1 maybe 2 most with a budding star that ended up on drugs or getting hurt (yeah remember those days….what happened to Glen Robinson, Allan Houston, Sprewell, LJ, Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond, Rod Strickland, Chris Webber, JR Rider, Damon Stoudamire, Shawn Kemp, Jalen Rose, Mookie Blalock, Brevin Knight, Jerry Stackhouse, Joe Smith, Kenny Anderson, Derick Coleman, a young not so experienced Shaq and Zo……you’re trying to say that Michael competing against them was equivilent to Kobe competing against Tim DUncan, Kevin Garnett, Ben Wallace, Jermaine O’neal, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, Tracy MacGrady, Dirk Dowitski, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Gilbert Arenas, Stephon Marbury, Ray Allen, Ron Artest, Mike Bibby, and the new generation of Diaper Dandies in Dwaye Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Zach Randolph, Yao Ming, a bigger stronger more explosive Shaq at one point during this era before the knees and feet went bad…you’re on crack)
Disgruntled Kobe Fan Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
The bottom line is Kobe will end up doing what Jordan did and then some because that’s the natural order of things….he’d conquering the part that he should’ve already done which is establishing that he truly cant be stopped at all and once he gets with a real team that is willing to build around him and make moves to bring players that have skills and are consistent at the very least he will make some serious noise and everybody will see….but of course he can win 4 more rings and people will still say…”so…he still aint better than Jordan”…..Jordan didnt score 81 when scoring like that was alot easier because the game was played faster then…Kobe did against bigger stronger players like it was nothing and couldve had two 80+ point games has Phil not taken him out after the 3rd quarter against Dallas when he scored 62 in 3 quarters….Jordan never did that….sorry…..understand that Kobe is truly next in line and will finish his career accomplishing all the things that had he been someone else would’ve made him the greatest player of all time but because he’s Kobe it’ll never be quite good enough…..and that sucks.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
i said this was going too happend, a three way deal of course. but trading both thomas, and noah will be dumb hell na it can only be one not both it will be rediculus! i mean gordon and marion that sounds fair. duhon, noah, and thomas too much, i say duhon, thomas, and james on curry and future 1st round pick that will work for sure.
Bullfan283 Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
yo! anthony you can really say who is the best player for the bulls come one make some sense duh, that’s why everybody wants our players because we have too much talent anybody in a bulls uniform has it’s ups and downs, meaning they can have a good night or a bad night, plus giving up gordon is good and maybe say thomas, and just wait till noccioni’s contract inquires that can work and maybe throw in thabo, or duhon, that sounds fair. by the way magic johnson dont know jack shit! it’s not up too him there saying that by the end of they day they will go for that offer because kobe is not staying a laker, that’s what owners said.
james Said,
October 31, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
U can trade any1 exept deng and big ben. Gordan ya he can score but he is unrelible cause he cant dribble. They can trade noah and thomas there just energy playes and there inconsistant. They need to keep gray cause hes gigantic and he can score. i think they need to sign gordon then trade him off so they can get the salery even. also throw in noah and some1 else.
dj hott Said,
November 1, 2007 @ 8:44 am
kudos to deng letting r.jefferson get 30pts a a victory, and marion is good but not all that valuable, so if they can get thomas, and noah, that adds size, and allows barbosa to start
g-s.nash g-duhon
g-l.barbosa
f-b.diaw g-hill
f-t.thomas fc-jokim noah
c-amare
kudos to iversons 25pt 14ast night, watch out nash?
whom plays the same team in seattle tonite, lets see nash’s stats
and if durant can score 18pts on bricks, his first game, verse the best player like him in carmelo, i think by the end of the season he will be good, and average 20pts, this year an improve his shooting
dj hott Said,
November 1, 2007 @ 8:47 am
sorry
phoenix
g-s.nash g-duhon
g-l.barbosa g-m.banks or strawberry
f-r.bell f-g.hill
f-b.diaw f.t.thomas
c-amare c-j.noah
and yea nash can wait a year for thomas&noah to grow, just like it may take more than a year for his defense to grow, they add size, save money, and get rid of a whiner
dj hott Said,
November 1, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
the only place kobe is going has not beened mentioned.
kobe will land in nj/brooklyn
nj- for r.jefferson,nenad krystic, jay-z,’s new album, advance copy, a date with beyonce, and a future draft pick,
dj hott Said,
November 1, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
g-j.kidd 13pts 9asts 8rebs
g-k.bryant 28.8ppg
f-v.carter 23.8ppg
f-sean williams- 7.8ppg 6.6prebs-3blunts a game, josh boone
c-j.mcgloire-7.8pts 7.8prebs
sign webber for min
and call it a day, uoops to vince, shots by kobe, no rebounds, but at least krystic wont be injured, or rjeff, and 2 of the top 10 sg’s ever plus a top 6pg ever in kidd, go nets
jigga,
dj hott Said,
November 1, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
sg’s ever pg’s
1.mj 1.magic
2.k.bryant 2.o.robertson
3.jerry west 3.i.thomas
4.havlicek 4.a.iverson
5.p.maravich 5.j.stockton
6.c.drexler 6.j.kidd
7e.baylor 7.w.frazier
8.r.miller 8.g.payton
9.v.carter 9.s.nash
10.m.richmond 10.t.hardaway/b.cousy
dj hott Said,
November 1, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
sf’s
1.l.bird
2.j.erving
3.g.gervin
4.d.wilkens
5.j.worthy
6.lebron james
7.scottie pippen
8.carmelo anthony
9.bernard king
10.grant hill
Troy Said,
November 1, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
ITS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING THAT THE TRADE TALKS HAVE COOLED OFF NOW WE CAN WAIT TIL DECEMBER WHEN WE CAN TRADE ANDRES. IT COULD BEE A 3 TEAM DEAL THAT INCLUDES THE BULLS, SUNS, N THE LAKERS. THAT WAY THE BULLS CAN SEND KIRK N ANDRES 2 THE SUNS, THE SUNS CAN SEND MARION N BARBOSA 2 THE LAKERS, N THE LAKERS SEND KOBE 2 THE BULLS.
christos Said,
November 2, 2007 @ 3:20 am
i didnt say atlanta WOULD, but def should…it would help their team in the long run, and la right now…nor did i say that pau gasol was going anywhere, just that he would fit well in that team (it was kind of me dreaming out loud)…also gasol deal would have been possible before jcn went there/draft…
also, gasol could guard duncan 1-on-1…duncan is duncan because of making others better, not from iso’s…that said he is good there too…the thing about this team is that its geared for whole team match-ups, not 1 v 1…not team is deep enough to beat these guys on a regular basis…
and regarding those above deals too…it wouldnt hurt to try…
LAKERSFAN Said,
November 2, 2007 @ 7:24 am
garnett sucks kobe rules
Tommy Said,
November 2, 2007 @ 10:07 am
Why not Kobe to the Raptors.
Kobe and Bosh would be unstoppable.
Plus Toronto has the assets to make it work, if they included Bargnani.
Say Rasho(for cap purposes), Graham, Bargnani and TJ Ford for Kobe?
Both teams become alot better. It makes Toronto and instant contender and the Lakers have one of the best young PG in the game, the next Dirk and is as good a deal if not better than what they will get from Chicago.
Tommy Said,
November 2, 2007 @ 10:15 am
Because Toronto has to face the facts….Andrea wil never be a 5, he is a 4 like Dirk and him and Bosh cannot co-exist in the long run….one will have to go….
so why not deal him now for the best player in the game?
doesnt matter Said,
November 6, 2007 @ 3:32 am
whoever wrote this column is an idiot. jordan had so many players that already knew how to play before he could even make them into anything. Kobe skill wise is on another level above jordan.please go watch some highlights or something.
Naynay Said,
November 11, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
DJ HOTT you forgot tmac in your best players buddy
bob Said,
November 16, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
why does kobe not pass the ball hes a ball hog and if your looking for me the address it 1440 foster in windsor
bob Said,
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